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Hi Anthony,

The guy who dismissed the sensor theory is wrong - well, I say wrong, he is only thinking about one aspect.

On the Diesels if the EM light is on steady, it means there is an emissions issue. So, a faulty sensor to do with the emissions side of things would cause a steady EM light.

The DPF has several sensors. Back pressure, Temperature, EGR etc etc... So as there are more DPF related sensors, the odds are it's one of them, hence a flashing light, no signs of any Active Regen starting up, and the car driving normally.

Did you plug your kit in today yet to see what fault codes are given?
 
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Guess what i found ?? ....yep my code reader and indeed it does throw a fault code up .... p2002

which is a DPF fault !! or Particulate trap efficiency below threshold !

Think its time to re visit the dealer!
 
stumpym4 said:
Guess what i found ?? ....yep my code reader and indeed it does throw a fault code up .... p2002

which is a DPF fault !! or Particulate trap efficiency below threshold !

Think its time to re visit the dealer!

This could be costly for Kia then
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TerryB58 said:
stumpym4 said:
Guess what i found ?? ....yep my code reader and indeed it does throw a fault code up .... p2002

which is a DPF fault !! or Particulate trap efficiency below threshold !

Think its time to re visit the dealer!

This could be costly for Kia then
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as long as they honor the warranty ! ..... not holding my breath to be honest

Edit .. Ive emailed Kia direct as well to ask there advise !

Edited by: stumpym4
 
Hi Anthony,

As this issue is not something that could be considered your fault, any repairs - if required - should certainly be covered under warranty. Please see below for some details about the fault code P2002 that I have found:

The trouble code "P2002 diesel particulate filter efficiency below threshold" relates to an emissions control device. Installed on 2007 and later diesels, it eliminates the soot emitted from their exhaust. You will most likely see this DTC in a Dodge, Ford, Chevrolet, or GMC diesel pickup, but it can also be triggered on other diesel cars such as VW, Vauxhall, Audi, Lexus, etc.

The DPF - diesel particulate filter - is in the shape of a catalytic converter and positioned in the exhaust system. Inside is a matrix of compounds coating the passages such as cordierite, silicon carbide and metal fibres. It's 98% effective at eliminating soot.

The DPF creates a slight back pressure in operation. The vehicle's ECU -- computer -- has pressure -feedback sensors on the DPF to monitor its functionality. If for some reason - for two running cycles - it senses a discrepancy in the pressure limits, it will set the code P2002 indicating a malfunction.

Not to be to concerned, these devices have a regenerative capability to burn off the buildup of soot and return to full service. They last a long time.

Once this occurs the light will go out and the code will clear itself. This is why it's called a soft code -- it indicates a fault in "real time" and erases as the fault corrects itself. A hard code remains until the repair is completed and the code erased manually with a scanner.

All vehicles need a device to eliminate oxides of nitrogen expulsion into the atmosphere, which wouldn't be there otherwise, and its harmful to your health as well as the atmosphere. A catalytic converter solves emissions on gasoline engines. Diesels on the other hand, are more problematic.

Relying on the heat of super compressed fuel for spontaneous combustion, their cylinder head temperatures are very high creating a serious breeding ground for oxides of nitrogen. NOx is produced under extremely high temperatures. The engineers knew that they needed to use EGR -- exhaust gas recirculation - to dilute the incoming fuel charge to reduce the head temperatures and reduce the Nox. Problem was, the exhaust temperatures on a diesel are to high and would simply compound the problem.

They corrected this by using engine coolant to cool the engine oil and EGR pipe to reduce cylinder head temperatures below that necessary for the formation of Nox. This worked quite well. The DPF is the last line of defense against emissions by eliminating the soot.

NOTE: This P2002 DTC is the same as P2003, however the P2002 refers to bank 1, which is the side of the engine that contains cylinder #1.

The causes for this DTC may include:
""¢Too much slow speed operation will cause this code. It takes heat in the 500c to 600c range to burn off the soot in the DPF. Even with the ECUs efforts in engine management, it has difficulty in creating enough heat to clear the DPF at slow engine speeds

""¢An air leak forward of the DPF will change the sensor readings resulting in the code

""¢Defective ECU strategies or components will prevent proper regeneration

""¢Fuel with a large percentage of sulphur will clog the DPF quickly

""¢Some aftermarket accessories and performance modifications

""¢Dirty air cleaner element

""¢Damaged DPF

Hope this information is of some use to you. If your Dealership continues to fob you off, it may be worth printing the information I have provided in this post regarding the fault code and letting them read it.

Source: obd-codes.com
 
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Wow !! .. Thanks for that Sharon ... think u need to go work at the dealers and stop them fobbing people off !Like ive said im not the slowest driver by far and do fairly high mileage , hence the diesel ! ..... honestly didn't think id ever had DPF issues with my commute of over 50 miles a day ?
I've got plans for about 300 miles next week as its my birthday and so going mountain biking for 2 days so it will spend a few hrs on the motorway and hopefully just hopefully it will clear ?? .. otherwise it will go back to the dealers on the way home from work when im back at work !
 
You're very welcome Anthony.

I would still say it's either a faulty sensor, or a leak forward of the DPF thats causing a pressure imbalance, and therefore putting the EM light on.

By all means take it for the good long run and see if it clears this time, but if not, take it back to your Dealership and let it be their problem. Remember to ask for a free loan car while yours is being sorted
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sharon75 said:
You're very welcome Anthony.

I would still say it's either a faulty sensor, or a leak forward of the DPF thats causing a pressure imbalance, and therefore putting the EM light on.

By all means take it for the good long run and see if it clears this time, but if not, take it back to your Dealership and let it be their problem. Remember to ask for a free loan car while yours is being sorted
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I have no other option than to ask and get a courtesy car as i work 20+ miles from home and only have the one car in the house and ive also sold the motorbike now !
The last time they did warranty work on the dash i still had to fork out to pay for the loan car insurance which i thought was a bloody cheek !
 
Yeah you should not have to pay for their insurance. My Dealerahip told me that loan cars are free, and the insurance is on them - but if I wrapped up the loan car there is a ÂŁ500 excess that I would be liable for.
 
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sharon75 said:
- but if I wrapped up the loan car there is a ÂŁ500 excess that I would be liable for.

You should be able to get CDW - Collision Damage Waiver fr a few ÂŁÂŁ but that would mean that you are paying to avoid the excess just in case there is a bump.
 
Yeah Its not really worth it. Anyway, we should keep Anthony's thread on topic. So lets see how he gets on with his own car tomorrow.Edited by: sharon75
 
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Ok so all you good folk have done the work that they should have done the first time it was taken into the work shop at Kia, sorry but 7 year warranty is starting to run very thin.
 
Hi Gary,

Luckily I know quite a bit about the DPF systems used by Kia, so was able to provide Anthony with some useful information. But with regards to the warranty, ok, its taking them time to get to the bottom of this issue, but we need to wait and see what they are going to do about it.

If they lend him another Rio while his is off the road, and fix/replace all and any parts to do with this issue free of charge, then the peace of mind factor of the 7 year warranty remains intact.

I am fairly confident that they will sort this for him as a warranty job - but lets just wait and see what they say.
 
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Bear in mind they call the dpf filter as a wear and tear item. It will be interesting to see what kia do. I think they will fix it personally but I think others are in for a shock further down the line when the age and mileage of vehicles starts to rack up.

First sign of trouble mines gives I'm ripping it straight off.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure how this would fare a lot further down the line as, like you say, it is classed as a wear and tear item. However, if it's a malfunction with a sensor or something else connected to the DPF system and no fault of the driver, then I would have thought it would fall within the warranty guidelines.
 
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Interesting thread, and I think we have all learned that if there is a problem we should

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all take Sharon to the dealership with us :)
 
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