[iooi]

Mmm. Other than as you had said turning heat off, not much you can really do. Sadly just like ICE short trips are killers where heating goes.

My average trip is around 9 miles each way.

 

[D&K]

What's the 15% electronic devices? 15% to run your phone???

 

[DirkEV3]

What's the 15% electronic devices? 15% to run your phone???

As I understand it, that is the car's internals. So the infotainment system, the cluster, and whatever electronics it needs to power when you drive.

 

[Springtime99]

Mmm. Other than as you had said turning heat off, not much you can really do. Sadly just like ICE short trips are killers where heating goes.

My average trip is around 9 miles each way.

ICE cars suffer badly on economy in the cold with short journeys not to mention the additional engine wear, strangely nobody is bothered by this though. We still have a long way to go before EV's are accepted for what they are.

 

[clockworks]

ICE cars suffer badly on economy in the cold with short journeys not to mention the additional engine wear, strangely nobody is bothered by this though. We still have a long way to go before EV's are accepted for what they are.

I had a Skoda Superb 280 (2 litre turbo petrol, basically a slightly detuned Golf R) that always averaged around 36mpg in normal driving.
On very short journeys of under 2 miles, it did 18mpg.

 

[D&K]

As I understand it, that is the car's internals. So the infotainment system, the cluster, and whatever electronics it needs to power when you drive.

Ahh, I thought all the "electronics/electrics" would be run off the 12volt battery. Seems a lot for electronics. Take the 15% off and the miles per kw would be much better?

 

[DirkEV3]

Ahh, I thought all the "electronics/electrics" would be run off the 12volt battery. Seems a lot for electronics. Take the 15% off and the miles per kw would be much better?

I think those are just run from the 12v when the car is off, and to unlock and turn the car on again. I may be wrong here, but that's my understanding, maybe someone with better knowledge can say what that Electronics is

 

[iooi]

As I understand it, that is the car's internals. So the infotainment system, the cluster, and whatever electronics it needs to power when you drive.

It is as above. Basically everything powered by electric. Which would also include BMS etc.

 

[SolarNoid]

ICE cars suffer badly on economy in the cold with short journeys not to mention the additional engine wear, strangely nobody is bothered by this though. We still have a long way to go before EV's are accepted for what they are.

Yes this is true, often in conversations this is probably number 2 after range. I think its better to look at an average after a years ownership. Day to day the environment is always fluctuating. If more people could only see that in the age of EV's the actual performance data is much more accurate than in ICE cars I feel. When ICE cars didn't have all these data points people didn't even question that their cars were never getting the MPG stated under ideal conditions. Once in blue moon conversation was how many MPG does it do unless it was an Aston Martin with 5mpg.

 

[Peter747]

I've seen this, and I don't buy it. I'm assuming it's the Air model, because of their stated max range of 590km (366miles). They got 504km (313miles). The usable battery capacity of the Kia EV3 is 78kwh, 313/78=4.01 m/kWh. Yah, not sure how you get that in winter at -6C. Not under normal circumstances.

I saw it as well. They did not say if the EV3 had a heat pump (?)

 

[shedenginner]

Don't have a heat pump as dealer recommended not to pay extra for it. Have top range model - £43K. GT lineS. Only 430 miles since 27th Nov when I picked it up, partly because I don't trust the range. GOM says 320 miles when 100% charged but drops almost 2 miles for every mile driven.

Have attached screen shots from connect app. Now showing 2.3miles/kwh implying 179.4 miles range with 78KW useable battery. I don't understand the second screen.

Thanks for any insight you can provide. It is going back to the dealer on Monday for more tests but they are already saying it is because of using the heater, which we don't overly use. I get that the environment and driving can effect range, but given I'm driving in eco mode in full regen, driving carefully, not driving on mortorway and temp has been 6-12 degrees broadly, I don't think this is acceptable. Nowhere in KIA's literature do they inform potential buyers that the 350/360 mile range can actually drop to 180 miles in the conditions and way we are driving it. It also does not work for our family. We can't charge at home and need a reliable car with a decent range.

Unfortunately you sold your reliable car with decent range. Should have stuck with petrol or diesel. I'm not against electric, I ride a electric motorcycle to work. I have a petrol one for proper rides out. I have a sportage gt-lineS diesel for proper towing and moving stuff/people about. Electric vehicles are ok in citys and town. You need a mix. The battery bike is noticeably slower in the cold and loses range.

 

[Masklin]

Unfortunately you sold your reliable car with decent range. Should have stuck with petrol or diesel. I'm not against electric, I ride a electric motorcycle to work. I have a petrol one for proper rides out. I have a sportage gt-lineS diesel for proper towing and moving stuff/people about. Electric vehicles are ok in citys and town. You need a mix. The battery bike is noticeably slower in the cold and loses range.

After driving electric for five years, electric cars are okay pretty much everywhere. They suit some folk’s circumstances better than others, but overall they are still quite useable.

I‘m always mildly amused when folk who don’t drive them come with their ‘expertise’ to critique those that do.

 

[shedenginner]

As I pointed out, I use a electric vehicles. I also have driven a electric hgv, an that was useless outside of town due to its short range. I'm not be a critique of electric vehicles, I'm saying we need a mix of transport options that fit the purpose that is needed. Most people, driving to and from work, 200 miles a week, electric is fantastic. On the other hand, I regularly, as in most days, travel 400 plus miles, often loaded or towing. This is when you need a petrol or diesel vehicle.

 

[DavidM61]

I saw it as well. They did not say if the EV3 had a heat pump (?)

@Peter747, as I posted earlier, all of the models of EV3 sold in Norway, from their base model up, (which is called the Active in the smaller battery version and Exclusive in the long range version), are fitted with a heat pump and battery heater as standard, which will have quite an impact in those temperatures on m/Kwh. So perhaps the result is accurate?

 

[iooi]

As I pointed out, I use a electric vehicles. I also have driven a electric hgv, an that was useless outside of town due to its short range. I'm not be a critique of electric vehicles, I'm saying we need a mix of transport options that fit the purpose that is needed. Most people, driving to and from work, 200 miles a week, electric is fantastic. On the other hand, I regularly, as in most days, travel 400 plus miles, often loaded or towing. This is when you need a petrol or diesel vehicle.

This guy does hundreds of miles a day in his. German charger network seems to be better set up for lorries though.

 

[shedenginner]

This guy does hundreds of miles a day in his. German charger network seems to be better set up for lorries though.

Yes, it probably is. That is another problem here, there is 535000 hgvs registered in the uk. Plus all these electric cars, best build another few power stations because your not going to be able to charge all these vehicles up. Yet another reason we need a mix.

 

[clockworks]

Yes, it probably is. That is another problem here, there is 535000 hgvs registered in the uk. Plus all these electric cars, best build another few power stations because your not going to be able to charge all these vehicles up. Yet another reason we need a mix.

I have an EV3, and a heat pump for my house.

The heat pump uses an average of 20kWH of electricity a day at this time of year - enough to drive my car about 70 miles. That's over 20,000 miles a year. Of course I don't do that many miles - very few people do.

Just the background usage (base load) of my house is around 400 watts per hour. 10kWH a day just to run the electronics, fridge, freezer, etc. That's 10,000 miles a year, more than I actually drive.

2 people taking a 7 minute shower each uses about 2.5kWH a day.
Watching my big telly and sound system for 3 hours uses a kWH a day.
Cooking a roast dinner, or doing one load of washing is a couple of kWH each time.

My point is, the average EV is using a fraction of the electricity that the average house uses. In my case, less than 15%.
And, most of that EV charging will be done at night, while most other stuff is switched off, or just idling.

It's really not a big issue.

 

[shedenginner]

I have an EV3, and a heat pump for my house.

The heat pump uses an average of 20kWH of electricity a day at this time of year - enough to drive my car about 70 miles. That's over 20,000 miles a year. Of course I don't do that many miles - very few people do.

Just the background usage (base load) of my house is around 400 watts per hour. 10kWH a day just to run the electronics, fridge, freezer, etc. That's 10,000 miles a year, more than I actually drive.

2 people taking a 7 minute shower each uses about 2.5kWH a day.
Watching my big telly and sound system for 3 hours uses a kWH a day.
Cooking a roast dinner, or doing one load of washing is a couple of kWH each time.

My point is, the average EV is using a fraction of the electricity that the average house uses. In my case, less than 15%.
And, most of that EV charging will be done at night, while most other stuff is switched off, or just idling.

It's really not a big issue.

Unfortunately, your talking about cars. Hgv chargers require up to 50 times the power input of a car or van. They have 350-400kw charging. The grid can't support it. All these industrial estates don't even have the capacity to run a 150kw charger, nevermind charging for 40 to 60 hgvs per company. Also, there is no place to charge when travelling about the country.

 

[clockworks]

Unfortunately, your talking about cars. Hgv chargers require up to 50 times the power input of a car or van. They have 350-400kw charging. The grid can't support it. All these industrial estates don't even have the capacity to run a 150kw charger, nevermind charging for 40 to 60 hgvs per company. Also, there is no place to charge when travelling about the country.

350kW charging seems to be possible on some cars now.

I don't think the issue is lack of total grid capacity, but there are obviously local problems getting supply to sites.

How are bus operators dealing with it?

 

[iooi]

Unfortunately you sold your reliable car with decent range. Should have stuck with petrol or diesel. I'm not against electric, I ride a electric motorcycle to work. I have a petrol one for proper rides out. I have a sportage gt-lineS diesel for proper towing and moving stuff/people about. Electric vehicles are ok in citys and town. You need a mix. The battery bike is noticeably slower in the cold and loses range.

Right. Can we stick to the topic & not get into X is better than Y please.