Picked up my ev3 at the end of November. Live in Southern England. Weather has been mile - 6-12 degrees. Am getting 2.50-2.6miles per kWh implying range of 180-200 miles. It is the 'long range version', with advertised range of 350 miles. Dealer saying we must be using the heating too much etc - not true. They say they can't see an issue with the car having examined it once. They say they will take it in for another look. Am very disappointed. Have said inside 30 days from purchase that I want a refund and they won't accept this (yet) as they haven't found an issue. Presumably a range of 200 miles against a supposed 350miles is not an issue for them (but it docent work for me). This despite them saying that all other buyers are getting much better ranges and are happy. Love the car other than the abysmal range. Taking legal advice. Surprised that KIA (who I've informed) and the dealership are willing to risk such bad publicity about a new car. Any useful advice about what to do would be appreciated. The car is great other than the range, and I don't want to pour cold water on the vehicle. But if KIA won't address the problem of a faulty car or the range is really as bad as I'm getting then people need to know about it.
EV3 battery/range problems
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OK, I know I said I was going to ignore the efficiency figures but I can't help myself 
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I charged the car last night, GOM said 482 KMs @ 100%. My old eNiro for sale in the nearby garage shows 420kms, I assume it hasn't been reset so its still estimating at my style of driving and recent road types.
The EV3 is therefore estimating an extra 14% range for 22% bigger battery. TBH, I would probably be happy enough with 480kms.
I drove 144Kms on a mixture of country roads, in Eco mode, 10 degrees and no climate control at all, except a few mins to clear the windscreen at one stage. Average speed was probably about 60kph or 40mph.
When I got home, my consumption was 17.7 kWh/100kms, which would indicate a total range of 440kms, barely more than my eNiro in similar circumstances.
However, I only used 30% of the battery, which would indicate an efficiency of 16.25 kWh/100kms and a total range of 480kms, which the GOM said before I departed.
The app said the efficiency was 7.8 kWh/100kms - if only.
So there is something screwed up with the efficiency figures. I'd say the odometer must be correct and the battery % also seems to be correct as it matches my Zappi readings (including charging losses). So maybe/hopefully the dash efficiency figures are incorrect?
This still doesn't explain those owners easily getting 4.5 miles/kWh (13.8 kWh/100kms). My eNiro would struggle to get this at this time of year. We are probably all on the same firmware, regardless of model type, LHD/RHD etc. It just makes no sense.
.I charged the car last night, GOM said 482 KMs @ 100%. My old eNiro for sale in the nearby garage shows 420kms, I assume it hasn't been reset so its still estimating at my style of driving and recent road types.
The EV3 is therefore estimating an extra 14% range for 22% bigger battery. TBH, I would probably be happy enough with 480kms.
I drove 144Kms on a mixture of country roads, in Eco mode, 10 degrees and no climate control at all, except a few mins to clear the windscreen at one stage. Average speed was probably about 60kph or 40mph.
When I got home, my consumption was 17.7 kWh/100kms, which would indicate a total range of 440kms, barely more than my eNiro in similar circumstances.
However, I only used 30% of the battery, which would indicate an efficiency of 16.25 kWh/100kms and a total range of 480kms, which the GOM said before I departed.
The app said the efficiency was 7.8 kWh/100kms
- if only.So there is something screwed up with the efficiency figures. I'd say the odometer must be correct and the battery % also seems to be correct as it matches my Zappi readings (including charging losses). So maybe/hopefully the dash efficiency figures are incorrect?
This still doesn't explain those owners easily getting 4.5 miles/kWh (13.8 kWh/100kms). My eNiro would struggle to get this at this time of year. We are probably all on the same firmware, regardless of model type, LHD/RHD etc. It just makes no sense.
I've tried this two more times today. Auto Regen. I think I may have had an epiphany. The point of the Auto Regen is to cruise as much as possible, and only use the accelerator when needed. I was not doing this before, I was just driving to the speed limit, then slowing down. But since this afternoon, I started coasting down every little hill I could, start coasting if I can see the traffic light ahead is not green, start coasting quite a way from the roundabout before I even get close. This seems a lot better. This evening coming back from the cinema, 3C outside, climate control on 1 with temp at 19, and auto regen. Got 3.2m/kWh, still not amazing, but better than I have ever gotten before with climate control on.
More experimentation needed. I also don't trust Auto to stop if there is a car in front, at all
I'm thinking of maybe switching to regen 0, or 1, but I guess that's probably the same as Auto
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Look at the shape of the e-niro then the EV3. Notice the difference?
Also as said. History paly a big part in GOM.
Hi , I have just got our EV3 long range GT or GTS in Spain ( top spec) it comes with heat pump as standard
. Temp has been from around 12c to 22c ish . We have just driven back to airport @ 105km per hr and distance of 100 km. Hopefully my maths are correct but car is telling me we are getting 6.2 km per kwh so about 3.8 miles per kw?. I dont think that is bad as is up and down mountains on motorway. I would suggest things will get better once the temp picks up in lovely uk.Another day of driving, another day of trying (and failing) to ignore the poor efficiency figures.
So today I went of a 220 kms (140 mile) round trip on the motorway. Cruise control set @ 110kph (68mph). Eco mode, temp about 10 degrees, heating on for about 50% of the time(my car has a heatpump).
Efficiency was 21.4 kWh/100km, giving a total range of 364kms. GOM estimated a total range of 387kms when I finished driving. Thats 2.9 miles/kwh and 227 miles. So another disappointing result.
Many people on here are saying - WAIT UNTIL THE SUMMER. Of course the efficiency will improve, but I am comparing apples and apples i.e. eNiro vs EV3 over the same roads/temps etc that I have driven 10s if not 100s of times.
All my figures indicate that the EV3 is about 15% less efficient than the eNiro, almost wiping out any gain with the bigger battery. I was tempted to get the smaller 58kWh battery, thank goodness I didn't.
I've been onto my Kia dealer and he said that "Kia were happy with the reported consumption figures" from customers. Maybe my eNiro was just too good?
So today I went of a 220 kms (140 mile) round trip on the motorway. Cruise control set @ 110kph (68mph). Eco mode, temp about 10 degrees, heating on for about 50% of the time(my car has a heatpump).
Efficiency was 21.4 kWh/100km, giving a total range of 364kms. GOM estimated a total range of 387kms when I finished driving. Thats 2.9 miles/kwh and 227 miles. So another disappointing result.
Many people on here are saying - WAIT UNTIL THE SUMMER. Of course the efficiency will improve, but I am comparing apples and apples i.e. eNiro vs EV3 over the same roads/temps etc that I have driven 10s if not 100s of times.
All my figures indicate that the EV3 is about 15% less efficient than the eNiro, almost wiping out any gain with the bigger battery. I was tempted to get the smaller 58kWh battery, thank goodness I didn't.
I've been onto my Kia dealer and he said that "Kia were happy with the reported consumption figures" from customers. Maybe my eNiro was just too good?
3m/kWh is about what I get on the motorway. 3.5 if it’s a longer journey. All I can suggest is drop your speed to 60mph. It’s unfortunately a square piece of metal slamming into a wall, the faster the harder it has to work. I think between 60 and 65 seems to be the sweet spot. If using the climate control, I found fan speed to be a bigger killer than temp, but temp obviously kills it too.
Not arguing or anything, in fact I agree. Though this is my first EV, I am disappointed in the real world vs wltp. Especially since, like you, I bought the heat pump because I was assured it makes a huge difference.
If I could do it all again, I would get the Air long range instead, and save myself a lot of money.
I have an update! I have continued to use Auto Regen, and being very mindful to coast as much as possible, today's short trip got me this.
Granted, there was a pretty big downhill, but I still managed a 3.6 on the way back. This is of course with no climate control or any seat/steering heating (it was honestly not needed this morning).
I'm starting to think that this method, coasting instead of active regen, is the way to go. I don't know if it will change in summer, if when it is warm it is better to regen than to coast ? But will have to see. I suspect that when it is warm it will be better to switch back to regen, my logic being that the battery will be warm from the start, and thus be able to take more charge from regen than on these cold days, where the regen it takes back when you start driving is very minimal.
Interesting stuff.
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I have always used "coasting" where it's available, ever since first having the feature on a VW Touareg diesel about 10 years ago.
It does need a particular driving style, and actually paying attention to road/traffic conditions, so takes more effort than engaging all the eco-gimmicks and hoping the car "knows best".
I keep the heated seat/steering wheel on, climate set to 20, and I've averaged 3.5 miles per kWH since collection.
It does need a particular driving style, and actually paying attention to road/traffic conditions, so takes more effort than engaging all the eco-gimmicks and hoping the car "knows best".
I keep the heated seat/steering wheel on, climate set to 20, and I've averaged 3.5 miles per kWH since collection.
When needed I do fan 1, temp 19, AC. But then I struggle to get 3.5 on these short trips. It will hover 3 to 3.4ish.
My only problem with Auto Regen is that it can just slam on brakes when there are parked cars on the side of the road. I understand why it does this, but is is very annoying. I live in a residential estate, with tons of cars parked on the side of the road and pretty narrow driving space, car just slams on the brakes constantly. But even out on the road it will do this with parked cars sometimes.
Yes, I agree. Since I have started driving with Auto I coast up to traffic lights, roundabouts and even if I see there is traffic up ahead. Just coast until you get there. I basically do the same as I did when I was on iPedal 2, except now I lift my foot of the accelerator further out, so it just coasts. Every single little hill, foot off the accelerator. It almost becomes a game of seeing how far I can go with no power. Even on flat roads I will accelerate to say 31 mph, and then coast until it drops a bit, rinse and repeat. Seems to be the way to go. I also use to use Adaptive Cruise Control driving around town, just so I don't have to worry about the speed cameras etc. Stopped doing that too, because I don't think it actually coasts at all driving like this, it (I think) does what I used to do, speed up brake, speed up, brake (to a lesser degree if you know what I mean). I'm even thinking that on the motor way, when I see a downhill I will disengage the ACC.
And in retrospect this is exactly what I did with an ICE car, I was always a coaster.
No, Auto would not stay on. You have 3 modes,
1. regen (will just slow the car down based on the level)
2. iPedal (exactly the same as Regen except it will bring the car to a complete stop)
3. Auto (does some voodoo which I have yet to experience. As far as I can tell, it does 0 regen, unless there is a car in front of you, in which case it behaves the same as iPedal)
For both 1 and 2, as soon as you lift your foot off the accelerator, the car will start slowing down using engine braking. Auto does not seem to do this, regardless of what the manual and videos show. (The manual and videos says Auto will slow the car down based on the navigation (roundabouts etc), I have never experienced the car doing this. The only thing I have noticed with Auto, is it slows down and stops if there is a car in front of you).
In fact, I think if you use normal regen, but on level 0, you will have the exact same experience as Auto, without the stopping if there is a car in front of you.
Oh sorry, to answer your question, each of these modes are independent of the other. As in, when you switch between them, the previous no longer applies. No matter what level you set normal regen to, when you switch to iPedal, it will be its own setting. Same with Auto.
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Thanks very much. Very useful info DirkEV3. I have tried Regen 0. I still prefer Auto Regen although I do agree the braking can be a little harsh, particularly if cars quickly drive close to you. However you get used to it. Lovely not having to brake hardly at all.
If you are allergic to braking, then give iPedal a go. You can do everything with just the accelerator pedal. If you don't want to brake as much, just lift of the pedal a little, or if you misjudged the distance to where you want to stop, whack it into 3 instead of 2. Etc.
The only negative is, no coasting. As soon as you lift your foot of the pedal, or decrease the pressure, the car will start slowing down. I think this is why the Auto is giving me better range. Where before the car would actively slow down, so I had to accelerate again to keep up with the speed limit, even on down hills. And I don't think the regen you get from this, is better than coasting all the way down.
It does take a bit getting used to iPedal, but I honestly love it, and if it wasn't for the range, would use it all the time. With practice you never touch the brake pedal again.
Too soon to comment on the EV3 but on our Soul my wife prefered it to slow and brake like an ICE, so used regen 1, although I used flappy paddles as well for manual regen. Range was close to WLTP a bit more in summer a bit less in winter. Brake discs stayed clean and pad wear was low.
I don't have I-pedal on my E-Niro, the nearest I can get is Regen 3 and feather the accelerator, applying the brake to come to a full stop. This means you have to have a sensitive right foot to maximise economy. Over the years I have tried various levels of regen and concluded that zero regen and coast, then use the paddles to slow, or you could also use the brake pedal softly as that regens to start with before applying the friction brakes. This method has proved to give me the best economy. I set the ACC to 60mph on the motorway as with the length of journeys I do on them it only adds a few minutes to the overall time and is also more relaxing.
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Which is a good way, as regen is used to slow the car down & not the physical brakes. On soul & niro physical brakes only kick in when braking hard, or last last bit to bring car to stop.
When I had the eniro I used to hold down the left paddle to bring the car to a complete stop at turns. Almost the same as ipedal.
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