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Guys i have the below question,

Let's say the car is parked on a uphill/downhill part of the road on P gear with EPB (Electric Parking Brake) on.

How it s parked:
As soon as the car is complete stopped, continue pressing food brake and move from D to P. Afterwards, release the food brake to allow car move to its final position (release all it momentum). Lastly, i press once again the food brake and turn EPB on.

Trying to move the car, i press food brake and try to move from P to D or R but it s feel vary difficult and it's sound strange when the gear shift from P to D or R.

Any idea why? Any help will grade fully appreciate.

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The parking procedure doesn't sound right to me because you will be putting pressure on the park mechanism in the gearbox if you are any type of slope.

I think it should be:
Stop, keep foot on foot brake.
Apply parking brake
Release foot brake
Move gear selector to P.
 

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In an auto you have something called a parking pawl. It basically locks up the gears so the car won't move. What you're doing is letting off the foot brake and putting pressure on the pawl before putting the handbrake on. It's essentially the same as leaving a manual car in gear, then allowing the car to roll and put pressure on the engaged gear... its going to be difficult to disengage.

Don't allow the car to apply pressure to the pawl by allowing the car to roll before applying the handbrake, you can damage or snap it. Just stop, put it in park (foot still on the foot brake) and apply the handbrake. There's no need to put pressure on the pawl, if the handbrake fails the pawl will stop the car from moving.
 

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The parking procedure doesn't sound right to me because you will be putting pressure on the park mechanism in the gearbox if you are any type of slope.

I think it should be:
Stop, keep foot on foot brake.
Apply parking brake
Release foot brake
Move gear selector to P.
Yes, I agree. This is how I do it as well
 

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I suspect the problem you are having is because you have put the car in park without the brake on, and because of the pressure on the gearbox park it is having difficulty disengaging.
 

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Discussion Starter · #11 · (Edited)
Thanks guys for your answer. but it seems that this will not work.
The parking procedure doesn't sound right to me because you will be putting pressure on the park mechanism in the gearbox if you are any type of slope.

I think it should be:
Stop, keep foot on foot brake.
Apply parking brake
Release foot brake
Move gear selector to P.
Thanks for your answer. i have one more question,
Stop, keep foot on foot brake (DONE)
Apply parking brake << Shall i will keep D?
Release foot brake (DONE)
Move gear selector to P. << Shall i press foot brake to move to P?
 

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In an auto you have something called a parking pawl. It basically locks up the gears so the car won't move. What you're doing is letting off the foot brake and putting pressure on the pawl before putting the handbrake on. It's essentially the same as leaving a manual car in gear, then allowing the car to roll and put pressure on the engaged gear... its going to be difficult to disengage.

Don't allow the car to apply pressure to the pawl by allowing the car to roll before applying the handbrake, you can damage or snap it. Just stop, put it in park (foot still on the foot brake) and apply the handbrake. There's no need to put pressure on the pawl, if the handbrake fails the pawl will stop the car from moving.
As soon as the car is complete stopped, continue pressing food brake and move from D to P. Afterwards, release the food brake to allow car move to its final position (release all it momentum). Lastly, i press once again the food brake and turn EPB on.
This is what i m doing but i face this issue. i m missing anything?
 

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This is what i m doing but i face this issue. i m missing anything?
No. You're allowing the car to "move to its final position" its final positipn is wherever it is when you've stopped by the foot brake. Why let it lock up the pawl?

whichever order you do. Dont let off the foot brake until the very last! Either put the handbrake and and then move to park. Or move to park with the foot brake pressed. Keep it pressed while you move to park. Keep it pressed and put handbrake on.

Have you never driven an auto before? Its like I said. You would.never put a manual car into gear, turn the car off and let it move until you put the handbrake on. You'll snap the pawl by letting the car lock itself up before applying the handbrake.

To be safe, id say stop, keep foot on brake. Apply handbrake. Engage park. Then you can release the footbrake
 

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No. You're allowing the car to "move to its final position" its final positipn is wherever it is when you've stopped by the foot brake. Why let it lock up the pawl?

whichever order you do. Dont let off the foot brake until the very last! Either put the handbrake and and then move to park. Or move to park with the foot brake pressed. Keep it pressed while you move to park. Keep it pressed and put handbrake on.

Have you never driven an auto before? Its like I said. You would.never put a manual car into gear, turn the car off and let it move until you put the handbrake on. You'll snap the pawl by letting the car lock itself up before applying the handbrake.

To be safe, id say stop, keep foot on brake. Apply handbrake. Engage park. Then you can release the footbrake
Thanks for the help!
 

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No. You're allowing the car to "move to its final position" its final positipn is wherever it is when you've stopped by the foot brake. Why let it lock up the pawl?

whichever order you do. Dont let off the foot brake until the very last! Either put the handbrake and and then move to park. Or move to park with the foot brake pressed. Keep it pressed while you move to park. Keep it pressed and put handbrake on.

Have you never driven an auto before? Its like I said. You would.never put a manual car into gear, turn the car off and let it move until you put the handbrake on. You'll snap the pawl by letting the car lock itself up before applying the handbrake.

To be safe, id say stop, keep foot on brake. Apply handbrake. Engage park. Then you can release the footbrake
When I park up. Keep foot on foot brake, then engage neutral, then parking brake and then put car into park.
 

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When I park up. Keep foot on foot brake, then engage neutral, then parking brake and then put car into park.
Yep I do it that way too,I never select 'Park' until the car is stable with handbrake on as cars tend to move slightly after applying handbrake on a slope due to slight movement within drum or disc.
At home both our cars are parked on a slight slope,one of them on tarmac with a front wheel chocked and left in neutral with handbrake off.The other is parked on grass against a small natural slope acting as a chock - also left in neutral with handbrake off - neither can roll away as one has a kerb in front and the other has our fence behind (+ a large shrub :) )
 
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Guys i have the below question,

Let's say the car is parked on a uphill/downhill part of the road on P gear with EPB (Electric Parking Brake) on.

How it s parked:
As soon as the car is complete stopped, continue pressing food brake and move from D to P. Afterwards, release the food brake to allow car move to its final position (release all it momentum). Lastly, i press once again the food brake and turn EPB on.

Trying to move the car, i press food brake and try to move from P to D or R but it s feel vary difficult and it's sound strange when the gear shift from P to D or R.
Put the handbrake on, release the foot brake then go to P.

The mechanism in P is a dog tooth device. It has long been a standard mechanism in automatics and is intended as a backstop, not a primary brake. What you are doing by letting the car roll against it is causing it to jam.
 

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Put the handbrake on, release the foot brake then go to P.

The mechanism in P is a dog tooth device. It has long been a standard mechanism in automatics and is intended as a backstop, not a primary brake. What you are doing by letting the car roll against it is causing it to jam.
Why let off the footbrake before engaging park? If you're still in drive with the handbrake on, all you're doing is allowing the car to fight against the handbrake before engaging park. Again, it'd be like putting your handbrake on in a manual, then trying to drive off while pulling the car out of gear. It makes no sense. Even entering neutral before park is a bit overkill.

Honestly I've never heard of people not able to stop and put a car in park. If you use the same logic as a manual car. Stop, engage park with foot still on foot brake, put handbrake on. Let go of foot brake.

I agree that park is just a backup, it's equivalent to leaving a manual in gear in case the handbrake fails.
 

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It is kinder to the 'Park' Pawl to set the handbrake first,then release the footbrake to make sure the handbrake is holding ok and then select 'Park'.As I posted previously many cars will move slightly when the footbrake is released because there is often slight movement within the disc/drum as the vehicle weight is taken up by the handbrake shoes/pads.
 
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