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Key on, so that the steering column lock is disengaged.

Try with the engine off. I believe the electric PAS motor is lower down on the colum meaning that you will be applying more torque by hand to the steering colum universal joint in the colum tilt joint. You may be able to replicate the looseness in that joint.

If no looseness is detectable there, then turn on the engine, and repeat. The PAS motor then may help stress the lower universal joint and replicate the looseness.

Take a look at the steering colum diagram on partsouq. Com, this should help you stress each joint one at a time in a process of elimination, hopefully.

I've not seen in a ceed, but some columns have a removable rubber boot near the pedals, if you want to spend time removing that, just peeling it up, you may be able to observe something, while an assistant moves the steering wheel.
 

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Ok, may give that a go at some point thanks.

Bit of an interesting development; so I mentioned that when you adjust the steering wheel in and out or up and down it would temporarily tighten up the steering, well I've been able to get it into a position whereby it's permanently much better, still not right, but definitely better. This is good news by itself but it gets better than that.

Since the wheel has been in its current position, a rattle has started. It's within the steering wheel or column area can't quite tell. It happens over certain frequencies of bumps in the road, not necessarily big ones, cats eyes are enough sometimes.

I'd describe it as a dense plasticy type rattle.

I'm going to run it like it is for a bit and try to find somewhere near to my Kia dealer where it will consistently rattle and then re-book it in and see if they can have a good look in there.
 

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Alex have you seen this thread? Spotted it when I was idly browsing earlier.

Interesting a service bulletin is mentioned by one poster, KFE19-61-V070-QLe. Not sure of this is relatable to your issue, but might be worth checking out.
 

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Thanks gdh. I don’t think it’s quite the same as the problem I have but it could be related. Mine’s more of a looseness than a notchiness. I think one of my previous Cee’ds had something closer to this but it never manifested enough to cause a problem.

My current Cee’d is booked back in to Kia this Friday. The looseness is still there, possibly worse and the rattle within the column area is definitely worse and consistently showing around most roundabouts that don’t have smooth surfaces. There’s one within half a mile of the dealership so I’m going to ask them to focus on solving that and hopefully that will also solve the looseness.
 

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Sorry to report that with the cold snap this week, the looseness in the steering has returned.

I can now 100% confirm that the climatic conditions are affecting whatever the problem is, as last week when it was 20 degrees plus, the car has never driven better.

Further to this, during the spell of warmer weather w.c. 29th March when the steering was working well, the car also seemed to accelerate much more easily. Co-incidentally, when on an incline with the cruise control on, the throttle would seem to surge rather than hold steady which would create a forward and back type swaying motion. This wasn’t / isn’t an issue but could it be linked to a looseness in the steering?

I've also been able to verify that doing any one of the following will seem to exercise the looseness in the steering and temporarily (15 mins) tighten it up:
  • Turning the steering wheel from full lock one way to full lock the other
  • Adjusting the steering wheel either up or down or in or out
  • Taking a corner faster than you need to in order to put more forces through the car
These traits I think have been present throughout my time with the car but I have been able to verify them in the last few weeks.

Any further ideas guys? At the moment, I'm going to have to book it back in.
I'm not sure if it is this but I had a problem with my Kia Cee'd for a while, there was a noise that was coming from the driver's side (front tyre) and I had no idea what it was. I left it for a while thinking it was because of the brand of tyre I had got back in November, it was around the same time the noise started. It got progressively louder and I only recently got it checked out. Turns out it was the wheel bearing which may effect the car greater with cooler and wetter weather (cars are really out of my league so I'm only guessing). It wasn't overly expensive to get fixed and the noise has gone completely. Might be too obvious an answer but hopefully you get it sorted. Good luck with it!
 

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Thanks James. I have wondered about a problem with one of the wheel bearings but the garages have said that they’re ok. I am keeping an eye on it though as some of the symptoms I’m getting would suggest that a bearing is a bit dodgy.

When it went in on Friday,Kia traced the rattle to a problem with the brake medal mount. They’ve said that they’ve sorted that out and apparently this mount is adjacent to the steering ECU. I’ve had a look and there is a small box of electronics there but I’d be surprised if it was being affected. I’m pretty sure that the rattle is gone but we’ll have to wait for a proper test this week when I’m back on the motorway again to see if the steering is any better.
 

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Rattle is indeed gone but steering is still acting up. Next step will be a more stern call with the dealer.
 

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Hi all.

Bit of an update on this.

I mentioned above that as well as the loose steering, I've also had some other very infrequent symptoms that could be related.

One of these has become much more frequent and is a scraping noise coming from the front left corner whilst going round roundabouts but only after I've been on the brakes quite frequently, but never during braking.

The car went into the independent garage we use at work to have this looked at and they noticed the front brake pads were low so changed them, however the scraping is still there. It will be going back in but I wondered if anyone might know what would cause this type of scraping noise? It's once per rotation of the wheel and I think it has something to do with something getting hot; maybe either the disc or something within the hub area.

Any ideas?
 

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Rust on the brake disk can cause that sound.
Only a tiny little growth in dimension due to rust is required before the rust will scape on the pad carrier.
The vibration resonates thru the sheet metal brake disk shield, which is where the real noise comes from.

It can get worse or dissappear when cornering, even when the wheel bearings are perfectly OK.
 

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I had wondered this but I would’ve thought that if it was the pad carrier, having new pads would move the carrier far enough away from the disc so that the noise would be gone. It’s exactly the same as it was with the old pads.
 

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would’ve thought that... having new pads would move the carrier far enough away from the disc
The pad carrier is bolted to the hub and remains the same distance from the disk at all times regardless of pad condition.
The pads move within the pad carrier.
hence the necessity to apply brake component grease to the pad / carrier interface.
 

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Resurrecting this thread as the steering problem seems to be coming back now we're going into autumn and winter.

Managed to get the scraping noise sorted. Was just rust in the brakes somewhere. Garage stripped them down and it's been fine since.

Have now had 2 new front tyres so we can eliminate that as a potential issue.

Tracking seems to be a bit worse of late though so am getting that checked today.

Car is booked back in to Kia next week to see about the inconsistent power delivery when accelerating. That's also intermittent like the steering but it should be more obvious. The car has been driving much better all through summer but now needs sorting as I can't go through winter with these problems.
 

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Should you really be getting involved to this level if it is a company car? Have you reported these issues to your company?
 

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Sorry to report that with the cold snap this week, the looseness in the steering has returned.

I can now 100% confirm that the climatic conditions are affecting whatever the problem is, as last week when it was 20 degrees plus, the car has never driven better.

Further to this, during the spell of warmer weather w.c. 29th March when the steering was working well, the car also seemed to accelerate much more easily. Co-incidentally, when on an incline with the cruise control on, the throttle would seem to surge rather than hold steady which would create a forward and back type swaying motion. This wasn’t / isn’t an issue but could it be linked to a looseness in the steering?

I've also been able to verify that doing any one of the following will seem to exercise the looseness in the steering and temporarily (15 mins) tighten it up:
  • Turning the steering wheel from full lock one way to full lock the other
  • Adjusting the steering wheel either up or down or in or out
  • Taking a corner faster than you need to in order to put more forces through the car
These traits I think have been present throughout my time with the car but I have been able to verify them in the last few weeks.

Any further ideas guys? At the moment, I'm going to have to book it back in.
You mention that the "looseness" changes according to temperature. Could it be a stickiness in one of the steering column bushes? I had a similar experience many years ago on a brand new Vauxhall Cavalier. It creaked when turning the steering wheel and there was a "sticky" point which made the steering feel slightly disconnected. This sticky point was more evident in cold weather. Eventually the dealer took the column apart and lubricated the bushes (I don't know what with unfortunately); the car was transformed!

Hope this might be of use in your investigations.
 

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Should you really be getting involved to this level if it is a company car? Have you reported these issues to your company?
Simple answer is no but...

Before this Cee'd the company has only ever had lower spec models. For what we need, the level 2 spec fits the bill it's just that I personally prefer to have a slightly higher spec level of car. I had to put up quite a fight to get the GT line spec and so if I reject it, I'm going to find it difficult to get another one the same, especially as previous Cee'ds that we've had have had no problems at all like this one.

I'm also aware that giving the car back would mean I'd probably never find out what's actually wrong with it. I'm determined to see this through.
 

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You mention that the "looseness" changes according to temperature. Could it be a stickiness in one of the steering column bushes? I had a similar experience many years ago on a brand new Vauxhall Cavalier. It creaked when turning the steering wheel and there was a "sticky" point which made the steering feel slightly disconnected. This sticky point was more evident in cold weather. Eventually the dealer took the column apart and lubricated the bushes (I don't know what with unfortunately); the car was transformed!

Hope this might be of use in your investigations.
Thanks Dave. I think it could be easily something like this. The problem is that without knowing, it seems everywhere I've been are nervous to undertake any work as they don't want to operate without determining what's at fault. I'll mention it to them anyway though just to see what they say. I think even if they took it for a long test drive they'd know then something wasn't right so I may just have to insist that they do this.
 
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