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Sorry, Indalo, on reflection I think you’re absolutely right, especially in a diesel the colour of the oil on the dipstick will tell you nothing. It would probably be about as helpful as asking the service dept for their advice. (They’re almost certainly going to go for caution and extra income). What else would you advise me to take into consideration?
 

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A small sample of oil from the dipstick could tell you if the oil is close to its “sell by date” if you can clearly see or feel particles or clumps of carbon (soot) but that’s all. But lab analysis could tell you much more, and I understand this is fairly common practice in US, where it’s not so expensive. Here, it’s likely to cost more than an oil change anyway. This got me to wondering whether there are any low cost reliable testers available. I came across a device called the Lubricheck - videos on YouTube. But not cheap, and is it reliable? And/or cost effective? So come next March at the first service, I will still probably face the dilemma of whether to pay for an additional oil and filter change. My last car was a Mondeo estate Powershift (DCT) 2 litre diesel which only required a first service at 2 years/18,000, when it had about 8,000 on, so the question of an earlier oil change didn’t arise. My Optima usage will probably be similar, around 4,000 miles pa, mainly short journeys 15-20 miles and an 80-100 mile motorway journey every 3-4 weeks. Does this necessitate an early oil change?
As one of my excolleagues once told me “Oil is cheap, engines are expensive”............:shrug: (But in those days I wouldn’t have had to foot the bill anyway)
 

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It would probably be about as helpful as asking the service dept for their advice. (They’re almost certainly going to go for caution and extra income).
That's exactly what the dealers would tell customers Col. As I said previously, those who wish to expend extra outlay for their personal peace of mind are perfectly at liberty to so do.

I completed a five-year apprenticeship back in the 1960s and there are several events stick in my mind from my nascent days in the motor trade. An early surprise was that some of the trucks I was required to work on were steam-powered but the drivers looked after the boiler, pipework and associated stuff, meaning that we mechanics only dealt with all the rest of the vehicles.:smile: I went on to specialise for a time on Austin Princess limousines, (wedding and funeral fleet) plus some management cars such as Austin Westminsters and Rover 100s and 110s.

The first petrol car I remember having to deal with that was equipped with fuel injection was the Triumph 2.5 PI which got a big thumbs-down from most of the mechanics back then as the early models were pretty unreliable and few knew enough about the system to diagnose and repair faults. At some point, new-fangled synthetic oils came on the scene and were, like petrol injection, simply ignored by the garage trade for a long, long time. Indeed, it was some time before manufacturers actually began to adopt the new technology and supplied new cars with synthetic oil in the engine.

I mention that because I well remember one of the scientists responsible for the research and testing being interviewed on TV, proudly pontificating that the days of oil changes in motor vehicles were over because this new invention would retain its lubricating properties for the life of the vehicle. All that would be required in the future would be the occasional top-up to replenish oil burned in the combustion process.

That has always stuck in my mind in the same way as a boffin and a government minister went on TV at the opening of Calder Hall in the 1950s and claimed that nuclear power meant that electricity produced in the new power stations would be so cheap to produce that it really wouldn't be worth metering!

Both the claim about synthetic oil and that about nuclear electricity were very quickly hushed up for the same reason - the oil industry and the motor trade very quickly realised that a source of profit would disappear and shareholders and garage proprietors didn't like the sound of diminishing returns. The same principle applied in the case of electricity but instead of shareholders, the government recognised that a nationwide source of government income would disappear and that was unpalatable. Needless to say, the claims were never reiterated, even though there was much truth in them.

Back to the matter of engine oil; there is no doubt that synthetic oil is pretty well 'unburstable' and the product was tested to destruction from the Arizona desert to the Arctic and it survived everything that was thrown at it. It is as a result of all the extended testing and the incredible durability of synthetic that manufacturers were gradually swayed and of course they did their own testing in addition before deciding to adopt the new technology. The days of 3,000 or 5,000 mile service intervals were then numbered.

So, here we are towards the end of the second decade of the 21st century and still, we have people swearing they know better than the chemists and various other scientists, not to mention the motor manufacturers who warrant their products against failure, in the case of KIA a full 7 years or 100,000 miles on the engine.

My car will have its oil changed in November, two years after I took ownership and I have never had any qualms about the oil even though I have a source of very reasonably-priced oil and I have all the equipment to perform oil changes, both suction and via gravity. Poor health these days militates against getting down and dirty underneath cars but I still retain an interest in them.

It does make me smile when I hear of owners paying a main dealer a small fortune for an additional and thoroughly unnecessary oil change, just for their peace of mind……….'Just help yourself to as much tea or coffee that you want sir, while we perform your oil change and we'll wash and vac the car before we give you back the keys.'
 

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Coincidently there is a thread on the Honest John website about this very topic of oil change time
The simple maths of "How far" isn't quite as black and white(or golden if you prefer) as it sounds
A poster on HJ has explained the science and the result is that its really all about how far the journies are and whether the oil gets to any sort of decent temperature..
If the car is a "shopping trolley" which I imagine most city car variants like a Picanto are, invariably their mileage will be shorter which is bad for oil and low miles changes are recommended. If you are doing a 50 mile commute each way though to take advantage of its fuel sipping abilities then extended changes are likely to be more acceptable.
Ultimately its down to the owner but as has been said, oil is cheap compared to new engine or major repair work due to lack of oil efficiency. And the inconvenience of having your car in the garage for a week or two.
And as has also been said, diesel oil is different to petrol oils and will always go black really quickly (although a good money maker for unscrupulous garages I expect)
 

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How do you know that they changed the brake fluid?

Usually, they just tick the box, but don't do anything at all.

Or, just put new brake fluid in the brake reservoir, and leave all the old fluid in the system.

If you are very, very, exceptionally lucky, then they will have flushed the entire system brake system.

Because the guy I was dealing with told me he had changed the brake fluid....convo went something like this...

"Hi there, say, did you change the oil in the Optima for me?"
"Yes we did sir, and we changed the brake fluid for you as well"

I may have been exceptionally lucky! I presume they drained it and refilled it for whatever reason! I was quite chuffed considering they didn't charge me for any of it!

Ref Oil Change Time:
Its not just the colour of the oil, you feel it between your pinkies, if it feels rough, sludgy sort of micro gritty...time to get it changed as it starts to act in the reverse of what its suppose to do! If the oil still feels smooth then its okay...this is how I go about oil changes.

When I bought Optibabe with 16000 miles on her the oil felt a little too rough for my liking so I asked them to change it, I said I would pay for the change too. KIA guys said okay sir if that's what you want, you're buying the car from us and we always respect the customers wishes we'll throw it in with the deal! So Fair play to fair deal KIA :grin:
 

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A small sample of oil from the dipstick could tell you if the oil is close to its “sell by date” if you can clearly see or feel particles or clumps of carbon (soot) but that’s all.
Yes Colr, you can feel the roughness in the oil and that should be indicative of oil change time...to some!

Heres another one for you...Not sure if the Optima has a magnet on the sump plug or if it's attached to the base of the sump. But if you've ever seen one after say a year of "collecting" from a new car then your eyebrows would lift a few inches!

The sump magnet will be a little Mount Everest of metal particles, all frags from the engineering process that are whirling around your engine and gearbox (if the two use the same oil which I think they do) If the magnet is on the sump plug it all gets wiped off (hopefully) by the mechanic during the oil change.

So should we change oil quicker in a new car that is full of metal fragments? Gentlemen this oil topic can have 1001 different aspects and I could throw them at you all day long. :devil:
 

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...An early surprise was that some of the trucks I was required to work on were steam-powered...'
lol...how old are you?

I saw a late 1920's steam powered lorry at a traction engine rally when I was a boy. (Sentinel Steam Waggon!) :eek:fftopic:
 

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Because the guy I was dealing with told me he had changed the brake fluid....convo went something like this...

"Hi there, say, did you change the oil in the Optima for me?"
"Yes we did sir, and we changed the brake fluid for you as well"

I may have been exceptionally lucky! I presume they drained it and refilled it for whatever reason! I was quite chuffed considering they didn't charge me for any of it!

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Just playing devil's advocate here:-

It's very rare for dealers to give anything away for free. They usually drain the fuel tank so that it contains the very, very minimum amount of fuel.

So if the dealer had changed the brake fluid then that is what he would of said.

If they hadn't changed the brake fluid, but just ticked the box, then that is what he would of said as well.

Knowing that there is no way for the customer to check if the brake fluid had or had not been changed. Unlike the engine oil, which can be checked by a simple visual inspection.
 

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Just playing devil's advocate here:-

Knowing that there is no way for the customer to check if the brake fluid had or had not been changed. Unlike the engine oil, which can be checked by a simple visual inspection.

But there is....

You just look at the nipples on the calipers. Clean, they have done something. Dirty... They telling porkies :glasses:

Sure not as simple as checking the dipstick. But not too hard either.
 

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I'm not happy reading that, ItsOnlyMe! I too will have probably clocked up low mileage in my Optima 3 when that KIA service time phone will ring!

There is no way the oil and filter needed to be changed in your daughter's car if the oil has only been in the engine for 1800 miles! If KIA are just going to follow 12-month service procedure as if the car had done 12,000 miles regardless of whether or not it has done is quite appalling. I suppose they then charged you for this needless operation? £119 I believe it is for an oil change (inc VAT + lab) is that correct!

There is some discrepancy about voiding our warranties by refusing to have our cars KIA serviced at the allotted time. Sort of held to ransom over it, its beginning to stink a bit around here if this is true! :plain:
Rediculous comment.......
 

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But there is....

You just look at the nipples on the calipers. Clean, they have done something. Dirty... They telling porkies :glasses:

Sure not as simple as checking the dipstick. But not too hard either.
A good idea about the bleed nipples, but not a 100%.
The only issue there is that if they are clever, they will have just cleaned them but not done anything else.

I suspect most owners would not be confident (or bothered) even to take the wheel off and check.
Just like taking out and checking spark plugs.

They should provide a video of the work at KEY stages, or a viewing area for customers so that they can see the work being done instead of sitting in a waiting area.

Halfords used to have a viewing area many years ago, but they soon put a stop to it.....very strange that.
 

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They should provide a video of the work at KEY stages, or a viewing area for customers so that they can see the work being done instead of sitting in a waiting area.
daughter always get a video of her when it's in for its service :)
 

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Rediculous comment.......
Why is it a ridiculous comment? Explain yourself, your views and/or your opposition to this comment. Don't just post inane inconclusive (misspelt) remarks. keyboard commando style!
 

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Took the daughter's Picanto 3 in today for the recall part to be fitted.
Apparently it is an "Electronic Throttle Control Unit"


It seems some Picantos don't need to be recalled, some need to have the unit repaired and some need to have the unit replaced. Ours was the latter and it was replaced while I waited.
 

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Old thread but I too got a video of my Sportage up on a ramp and told hat a check had been completed with no issues.
It was found not to have the brake fluid or engine oil/filter changed. So don't be fooled (Ringways Doncaster)
 
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