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Hi All
We seem to have developed new faults on our 2007 2.9crdi auto (116000 miles), which are:

1, rough idling for about the first 5-10 seconds when cold,

2, When revs get to about 3000rpm almost feels like a "petrol miss fire" but once its cleared you cant reproduce it.

3, and the most concerning, motor just suddenly dies, like its been switched off, usually happens when going up a slight hill. Pull the car up at the side of the road and it restarts straight away sometimes get the missfire feeling, but then it clears.

4, We are only getting about 18MPG!!! the car is driven well and not raced........

I had replaced the fuel filter with a Bosch one, thinking that air was some how seeping in, i bit the bullet and paid £41 for a KIA (the Bosch filter was £7.50!!), fitted the new KIA filter and still the same.

The only other thing i did was replace the copper washer on #2 injector, it was blowing when i got the car, there are no leaks from the CR or injector pipes.

When the car is running properly, its great, smooth, idles well, pulls like a train, so i ruled out an injector problem as this is intermittent.

I have read that the older shape cars suffered with EGR problems and most people just blank them off, but the EGR is completly different on the later shape.

I cant reproduce these faults (apart from the slightly rough idle from cold) and the last time it cut out on my wife, i jumped straight in the car and did about 60 miles, up hill, drove in manual at 3000rpm, drove slow, gave it a beasting....... and it was as sweet as a nut, it didnt put a foot wrong.

One other thing i noticed with this car is, if you rev it in park, its real lazy and takes 2-3 seconds to respond, but once in "drive" its as it should, responsive.... is this normal??


I`m stumped......... anyone got any thoughts??

Cheers




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I experienced the same symptoms on my 2006 mk1 . As you described but also had the miss where I exited from a roundabout on a sharp left . It would recover with a touch of the gas pedal. I persisted with redex cleaner for the next fuel fills (and continue to use it ) and the problem cleared . The only consistent thing with the fault was it happened within a few hundred yards of a sharp bend, roundabout or reaching the top of an hill (never actually on the hill). regards.
 

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Hi thanks for your reply, i am on my second bottle of injector cleaner, not sure how good the claims actually are, i will put another bottle in the tank and see if it makes a difference.
 

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hi there just let you know the first thing you need to do is get a diagnostic test done by anyone with a suitable code reader, if you find codes p0088 or 1187(i think) fuel pressure malfunction too high or low then i would suggest that the inlet metering valve on the rear of the pump needs repl.this is quite a common concern and i also recommend getting the ecu upgraded to the latest level once the imv is repl.

hope this helps
 

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ECU has no DTC's that's the annoying thing with all the tech they build into cars these days, if they do go wrong and don't throw any codes, your stuck.........

What is the benefit of upgrading the ECU??
 

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Thanks Viking. i had my suspicions about the EGR, do you know where i can get a schematic ?? i only have manuals for the old shape which is completey different, i cant find any manuals for the new shape crdi, KGIS is a good source of info but only has the 3.8 V6, unless there is a european site??
 

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Update

After getting
nowhere with this I thought I would try an ""injector spill test""� I put together
a test rig and as you can see from the photos injector3 is knackered, so I am
getting it refurbished and the others tested.



There should be a max of 10% difference between each
injector.









This is a simple test that cost £2 for some washer pipe, bit
of sticky tape, piece of string and some empty water bottles, a bit ""Blue Peter""�
but it is effective!!!!http://www.it-tools.co.uk/DS3.jpg


http://www.it-tools.co.uk/DS2.jpg


http://www.it-tools.co.uk/DS1.jpg
 

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Update

After getting
nowhere with this I thought I would try an ""injector spill test""� I put together
a test rig and as you can see from the photos injector3 is knackered, so I am
getting it refurbished and the others tested.



There should be a max of 10% difference between each
injector.









This is a simple test that cost £2 for some washer pipe, bit
of sticky tape, piece of string and some empty water bottles, a bit ""Blue Peter""�
but it is effective!!!!http://www.it-tools.co.uk/DS3.jpg


http://www.it-tools.co.uk/DS2.jpg


http://www.it-tools.co.uk/DS1.jpg
If it does the job and its cheap why not. Glad you are getting it sorted.
 

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The best thing is, as it only cost 2 quid, i can throw it away instead of cleaning it out lol

I have a new (recon) injector being delivered tomorrow from " Droitwich Diesel " i was told by Tim there, that these dont need to have the C2I coded to the ECU........ not sure on this but the car is booked in to "Warwick Kia" Monday to have the Body and transmission codes read, i am being charged an hour for this which should only take 15mins so i will ask if they can check this......

I will post the out come........
 

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Well as promised the new injector was delivered at 9am, i have fitted it........ with no C2I coding and the car starts and runs great.......

Just need to wait and see if it cures the original problem, i will also get the other injectors checked.....
 

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Yeah, its amazing how you can stretch 10mins work to an hour.........
got a B2450 (unlatch Motor Short High) whatever that means, according to KIA it means over £200 worth of door latch and a controller............, think i might start with the £9 latch motor....

ABS was clear
Trans was clear
Engine was clear

They couldnt code the injector as they couldnt find the correct number!!!!! and told me that the car wont run properly with out it and when i said it runs fine...... i was told i must be lucky (as he then invoiced me for £72 lol).
 
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