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I'm considering a March 2017 2 litre diesel GT-Line S 4wd automatic to replace my Skoda Superb estate.

It's done less than 30k miles, and is at my local Kia dealer.

I've been looking for something a bit smaller than the Superb, with a reasonable turn of speed and a higher driving position.
I had a VW 3 litre V6 Touareg before the Skoda. Great car, but way too wide for the back roads where I live. Hopefully the Sportage will be a good compromise of price, comfort, size and performance.

There's a couple of reasons why I'm thinking about a Kia:

I've been very happy with my other car, which is a 2019 Picanto GT-Line S turbo.
The 7 year warranty.

When I bought my Picanto (as a 6 week old demonstrator), the salesman said that the 7 year warranty covered everything except the battery and the audio equipment, and wear and tear/consumables. Presumably this is correct, and I will get the remaining 3 years of warranty on a 4 year old Sportage?

Is there anything I should look out for when I view/drive the Sportage?
 

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Thanks. I'll double-check the history with the dealer, make sure it's all up to scratch.

Is the steering issue a problem with the electrical assistance? I had that with a Citigo I bought before the Picanto. Needed a new column under warranty.
The one I'm considering is an automatic.
My Picanto has the same jerky clutch issue when cold - seems to be a "thing" with Kia.

I used to get 35mpg out of the Touareg, currently getting 32mpg out of my Superb 280. I can live with 35mpg, but would hope for a bit more on a long run.
 

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I was given a Stonic as a courtesy car while my Picanto was having its first annual service. I actually liked it, shame they don't make a faster, more powerful version. While the 1 litre 3 pot turbo is plenty in a small car like my Picanto, I'd prefer something a bit punchier in a bigger car.
 

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I've just got back from having a test drive in the Sportage. I was quite impressed, wouldn't really know it was a diesel once it had warmed up a bit. Obviously not as quick as my Superb, but it felt quick enough for my needs. I reset the average mpg before setting off, and drove the same route as I had earlier in the Superb so that I could compare them fairly.
The Superb averaged 36mpg, the Sportage averaged 47mpg.
The Superb is slightly more refined, not that much in it though - just a more supple ride with the active suspension in normal mode.

The only thing I didn't like was the lane departure warning going off, but I think that can be disabled on a 17 plate car.

The dealer had only just taken it in, so it had been serviced and MOT'd, but not valeted. Very tidy car, no sign of any damage at all. Full history, so 3 year's warranty. More kit than my top of the range Superb.

Deal done, collecting it on Friday
 

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Bit of a shock when I changed the car insurance on line just now. 30% more to insure the Sportage. Not a lot of money in reality, just strikes me as strange that it costs more to insure a 2 litre diesel Kia than a 2 litre petrol Skoda.

Both cars pretty much the same age and value, but the Skoda is a fair bit quicker (less that 6 secs to 60, limited to 155mph). It's also 7 insurance groups higher.

I guess they are just charging more because they can. I only renewed the policy a month ago, so no point in cancelling and getting a fresh policy.


Can anyone confirm that the 2017 2 litre diesel doesn't take adblue? I couldn't see a filler cap, and the salesman didn't know.
 

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Thanks. I looked under the fuel flap, didn't see an adblue cap. Pretty sure it had a round flap.
The Touareg I owned before the Superb had an adblue tank, but it was under the false boot floor, and hidden by the tool tray.
 

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Yes, it's a Kia dealership, operating out of 9 or 10 locations in the county. 3 Kia dealerships and one Hyundai, also a couple of French franchises and a couple of Japanese, and now a Chinese too.

It seems to be fairly standard for most car salesmen to have less than perfect product knowledge.
I've been buying cars for over 40 years. The best product knowledge seems to be amongst the senior parts dept. guys, and maybe the owners of smaller used car dealerships.

I've only ever spoken to one car "salesman" who knew everything about what he was selling. He was joint managing director of an independent Porsche sales and repair business. He lived and breathed the brand. He was the sales and technical guy, his business partner was the numbers guy.
Many car salesmen are quite passionate about cars, but they seem to move around between dealerships, never staying in one place long enough to gain extensive knowledge of what they are selling this year. They might get good training on new models when they are released, but not know much about cars that were released before they joined the brand.

It would've been nice if he'd checked, but at least he didn't just make something up.
 

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Totally agree. All a salesman (of any type of product) needs to know is enough to be one step ahead of 99% of his/her customers. There will always be the odd customer that knows more than the salesman.

I was going to make the comparison with Currys, but decided it might be a bit inflammatory. When I worked "on the road", I used to spend a lot of time between service calls wandering around out of town retail parks. My favourite pastime was going into Currys to browse, and listening to the sales staff advising customers. After the salesman had moved on to the next customer, I'd jump in with my advice and try and steer them to a product that suited them better. That was back in the day, when I knew a fair amount about PCs and audio kit. I'd say the knowledge of the average Currys sales person was appalling, far worse that a car salesman.

I'm a bit out of touch with electronics these days, and probably the same with cars. My interests have shifted onto my own sphere of business, and different hobbies.
 

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Thanks for that. It says "6 speed auto" for the 2 litre, while the smaller engines say "7 speed auto DCT".
So, it has a proper torque converter box, which is one less thing to worry about as it gets older.

I've had a few torque converter autos in the past (BMW 5 series ZF, Porsche 911 Tiptronic, old 3 speed in a Granada), as well as a couple of dual clutch boxes recently (Ford Powershift in a Galaxy, and the VW DSG in the Skoda). I prefer the proper TC boxes for driveability, and reliability, although the DSG box is pretty good.

This will be the first car I've owned with paddles and a torque convertor. I tried shifting down with the paddles on the test drive, and it seemed to work very smoothly - "kickdown" without having to mash the throttle pedal. I liked the way it went back into fully-auto mode on its own after a few seconds too.
 
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