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What's a vignette road?
Not a UK thing - unless you include Gtr. London emission/congestion charges!


Vignette is a form of road pricing imposed on vehicles, usually in addition to the compulsory road tax, based on a period of time the vehicle may use the road, instead of road tolls that are based on distance travelled. Vignettes are currently used in several European countries. The term originated in France in the 1950s, although vignettes there were not linked to motorway use and no longer exist; it is now used throughout Central Europe, as well as in Italy (vignetta).
 

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I am not sure this is related, but a number of cities in France have 'air quality zones'. If you want to drive within one of these zones you need a "Crit'Air Vignette", which is basically a sticker that identifies your vehicle type and that it is allowed to enter a zone. Some cities bar certain engine types on certain days.
 

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I am not sure this is related, but a number of cities in France have 'air quality zones'. If you want to drive within one of these zones you need a "Crit'Air Vignette", which is basically a sticker that identifies your vehicle type and that it is allowed to enter a zone. Some cities bar certain engine types on certain days.
Paris has a wonderful system of banning odd index numbers one day and evens the next (or used to, last time I was there). I’d love to see the Nav cope with that


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Is it my unlucky experience, or do others find this too?
I'm driving Soul EV with 03/03/2021 software and EUR.13 maps.

In rural environments the navigation seems far too willing to take me off perfectly good A and B roads and down miles of "roads" where grass verges brush the right and left sides of the car and grass is growing in the middle. I imagine that it may have thought that the road was just national speed limit, even though in reality I must go quite slowly due to having no room for cars to pass and no visibility round bends. A few weeks ago it sent me through about 30 minutes of slow and tense driving which I am sure could have been bettered speed-wise, if not distance, by taking a less stressful route. I needed to reverse-up 2-3 times and other cars had to do the same.
I've had moments when it has wanted me to turn into a track and I've thought "I'm not doing that", so stopped and got my phone out to have a second opinion from Google's navigation. I've used Google as a second opinion and it seems to be a bit more reasonable at sticking to better roads.

I know the possible answer of: "don't use the Kia navigation - Use Android Auto" !!!! Ditto any other "workaround"
I've done that on several occasions.

What I'd like is for Kia and Here maps to take on board the feedback that something needs tweaking in the navigation planning.

Constructive criticism time:-
The software has settings to do things like avoid tolls and other things, can they think about some setting to prefer classified roads where possible?
Is there a problem with the routing not taking account that an unrestricted road does not = 60 mph road?
Is there perhaps more emphasis on shortest distance than time?
Could it be possible to calculate "simplest route" for a driver (minimum numbers of road turns)?

I'm sure that on a recent journey the car got me to take a right turn into a narrow unclassified road which 5 minutes later emerged onto a B road where I then went right. It had chosen to cut a corner off, but at the expense of right turns and being sent via a narrow, slow road which wasn't wide enough for two-way traffic! I am sure there was no traffic to have made that a justifiable cut on time-saving. I would have much preferred to spend 3 more minutes on the A road then turn where there was good signage for destinations into a B road where I spend another 2 minutes driving comfortably.

Just to repeat the point I made earlier - I know that I could use other software. I would like Kia to make it better. I'm not aware of any 3rd party software being able to send graphics to the HUD.
Hi, I have a 2017 Sorento GX-4 and had the full update before summer hols as going west. I experienced the same thing with verges and grass down the middle of roads, quite exciting but just glad I wasn't towing at the time. It speaks Korean Engrish and if it doesn't like the look of somewhere it won't let you enter the full postcode, not supplying the full amount of letters for the final character, lol. I initially thought that maybe the address had not been built at the time of programming, hence the update pre-hols. It doesn't seem to care. It still won't find my brother's 200 year old farm in Derbyshire. We have gone back to using a map, a wife and finessing with the phone if required.
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Is it my unlucky experience, or do others find this too?
I'm driving Soul EV with 03/03/2021 software and EUR.13 maps.

In rural environments the navigation seems far too willing to take me off perfectly good A and B roads and down miles of "roads" where grass verges brush the right and left sides of the car and grass is growing in the middle. I imagine that it may have thought that the road was just national speed limit, even though in reality I must go quite slowly due to having no room for cars to pass and no visibility round bends. A few weeks ago it sent me through about 30 minutes of slow and tense driving which I am sure could have been bettered speed-wise, if not distance, by taking a less stressful route. I needed to reverse-up 2-3 times and other cars had to do the same.
I've had moments when it has wanted me to turn into a track and I've thought "I'm not doing that", so stopped and got my phone out to have a second opinion from Google's navigation. I've used Google as a second opinion and it seems to be a bit more reasonable at sticking to better roads.

I know the possible answer of: "don't use the Kia navigation - Use Android Auto" !!!! Ditto any other "workaround"
I've done that on several occasions.

What I'd like is for Kia and Here maps to take on board the feedback that something needs tweaking in the navigation planning.

Constructive criticism time:-
The software has settings to do things like avoid tolls and other things, can they think about some setting to prefer classified roads where possible?
Is there a problem with the routing not taking account that an unrestricted road does not = 60 mph road?
Is there perhaps more emphasis on shortest distance than time?
Could it be possible to calculate "simplest route" for a driver (minimum numbers of road turns)?

I'm sure that on a recent journey the car got me to take a right turn into a narrow unclassified road which 5 minutes later emerged onto a B road where I then went right. It had chosen to cut a corner off, but at the expense of right turns and being sent via a narrow, slow road which wasn't wide enough for two-way traffic! I am sure there was no traffic to have made that a justifiable cut on time-saving. I would have much preferred to spend 3 more minutes on the A road then turn where there was good signage for destinations into a B road where I spend another 2 minutes driving comfortably.

Just to repeat the point I made earlier - I know that I could use other software. I would like Kia to make it better. I'm not aware of any 3rd party software being able to send graphics to the HUD.
Robin, not just in Kia SatNav.

My Garmin unit when I was on La Palma, yes, the one that's on fire, said the usual, "in 100yards, turn left", what over that cliff, "if 50yards turn right", what in that woman's garden.
 

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We tend to drive on A & B roads using the roadside signs, because we know basically where we are going and when we get 10 minutes from our chosen destination that we haven’t driven to before, we then set the Sat Nav in the Soul to take us the final couple of miles.

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As someone made a point earlier, the head units are made by LG and go into other cars besides Kia & Hyundai. I suspect that just like the way that the specifications of the hardware vary, so too the specifications for the software will vary. The hardware is obvious, the bigger or smaller touch screens, possibly faster processors for more responsive feel (some of that is just improvements over time, but some of it will be about how "premium" the car manufacturer wants the experience to be) - Do they want to pay for mobile data connectivity or for more memory to permit over-air downloading of software updates?
When it comes to the software I wouldn't be surprised if the software "engine" which calculates routes is generic from one of a few specialist companies and has customisations for different geographical regions for Kia (and others) to pay for.
In a similar way to the hardware, Kia (or others) can likely pay for optional features such as all of those "avoid" or "prefer" choices and have a generic voice or be able to have their own custom speech and sounds. It may cost Kia more to let users have more control. Who knows?
My beef is that the navigation seems far too biased either towards shortest route or a misunderstanding of the achievable speed on an unclassified road (I can't really tell which). That is something which I think they should take on board and try to fix.
Yesterday I took a route from Seaton to Sidmouth in Devon (a shortish and fairly familiar journey). The most straight forward and simultaneously the fastest route (in my experience) is the A3052, then A375. Google suggests that the fastest is to turn left slightly before the A375 (I followed Google just to check this out), but the Kia navigation tried turning me off on 3 earlier unclassified turns which would definitely have taken me along narrow roads necessitating coming to near crawl to pass oncoming cars and needing to use passing bays in some places. I was aware of the route Google advised, it would once have been a route I would have taken to get to my parents' home. It is "OK", it demands some slow corners and constantly changing speeds. I would use it if there were any roadworks or temporary lights on my "usual" route, but the A3052, A375 is simple and you can do the advertised speed limits. There will be no long hold-ups if a dustcart or tractor is coming the other way! The Google route has some credibility, the Kia route does not.

The Soul EV (and some e-Niros) have a HUD. I initially thought it was a bit of a gimmick, before buying, but it is just there in the 1st Edition... however I've found it really useful for navigation on long journeys and getting speed limits near my line of sight, so I'd really like to use the native Kia navigation because Android Auto (and presumably the Apple equivalent) can't do anything to drive the graphics within the HUD.
 

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E="Pitstev, post: 409185, I was a truck driver for over 40 years and I've got a pretty good knowledge of UK roads and I wouldn't go anywhere the kia sat nav routes without consulting a map to check . It constantly tries to take you down back lanes and poor b roads and its not trying to avoid congestion because when I ignore it as I always do the roads are clear.I own an old plug in tom tom and it's much better .you can ask my stonic to route you whilst driving but you couldn't risk following the route it comes up with without stopping to check against map so its useless. When I complained to my dealer they said there is an update available but I have heard bad things about that so I am reluctant to have it. So I have concluded I may as well saved myself some cash and used a map and Google.
 

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We tend to drive on A & B roads using the roadside signs, because we know basically where we are going and when we get 10 minutes from our chosen destination that we haven’t driven to before, we then set the Sat Nav in the Soul to take us the final couple of miles.

Never fails. 👍
The operative word in there is =we=
If it were "we" we might do the same, but when I am just me and I want to get to some awkward spot I can't hold all of the instructions in my head. Of course up until about 10 years ago I would have made some abbreviated notes on a piece of paper and a map book on the passenger seat - we had to.
We've become accustomed to things like TomTom and latterly Google being able to efficiently route us to our destination and even take avoiding action around a live problem on the way.
It's the backward step from Google which makes the Kia navigation look poor. Ignoring the "live" element that we only get with connected devices, I think that even TomTom didn't tend to over-use inadequate roads.
Those narrow roads would be even worse if a higher percentage of the road users were following the same navigation!
 

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We tend to drive on A & B roads using the roadside signs, because we know basically where we are going and when we get 10 minutes from our chosen destination that we haven’t driven to before, we then set the Sat Nav in the Soul to take us the final couple of miles.

Never fails. 👍
And we could just revert to a map or use our phones that have 'free' nav apps that do get us from A to B avoiding traffic issues without problems, but we have paid for an inbuilt map system that we should be able to reply on. This is not rocket science, its not at the bleeding edge of technology, so there really cannot be any excuse for Kia not giving us a useable nav system.

I've had built in nav systems for years and have one in my 2008 car, yes they all have their quirks and none of them work as I would design them but only the Kia seems to choose minor roads wherever it can.
 

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And we could just revert to a map or use our phones that have 'free' nav apps that do get us from A to B avoiding traffic issues without problems, but we have paid for an inbuilt map system that we should be able to reply on. This is not rocket science, its not at the bleeding edge of technology, so there really cannot be any excuse for Kia not giving us a useable nav system.

I've had built in nav systems for years and have one in my 2008 car, yes they all have their quirks and none of them work as I would design them but only the Kia seems to choose minor roads wherever it can.
If people were saying. Well it does not get me to where I want. I would agree.
But enjoying a few back lanes is not such a big problem. So the system is usable, just not to everyone's taste. And as we all know. You can not please everybody...

Not saying it could not do better, just pointing out the obvious.
 
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On more than one occasion it has taken me off a free flowing A road or motorway 1st turn at the roundabout 5 mile country lanes then back on the 3rd turn of the same roundabout only to pick up the original route ??????
 

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On more than one occasion it has taken me off a free flowing A road or motorway 1st turn at the roundabout 5 mile country lanes then back on the 3rd turn of the same roundabout only to pick up the original route ??????
couldn't agree more with you there. its done it to me on many occasions, not just in my current 70 plate, but previous 16 plate kia. thankful for android auto at times! kia really need to sort it out, they have the cheek to charge you for getting updates loaded onto it i found to my peril recently too!
 

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I drove through a field last week. Can't blame the sat nav, it was a named road but I doubt there are any plans for it to be paved this century, such was its location.

Mine has sent me down some seriously strange roads in the past but they were designated roads so again, can't complain. What I find really strange is the 50yrds of road near me that it refuses to recognise. Its on the map but the sat nav advises a 5min re-route before getting confused as you drive on the disputed stretch.

Even though it's running 4yr old maps, I don't remember it ever failing to get me where I needed to go.
 

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I drove through a field last week. Can't blame the sat nav, it was a named road but I doubt there are any plans for it to be paved this century, such was its location.

Mine has sent me down some seriously strange roads in the past but they were designated roads so again, can't complain. What I find really strange is the 50yrds of road near me that it refuses to recognise. Its on the map but the sat nav advises a 5min re-route before getting confused as you drive on the disputed stretch.

Even though it's running 4yr old maps, I don't remember it ever failing to get me where I needed to go.
its similar to me, new road 5 years ago and a 70 plate doesnt recognise it and tells me to turn around/not intelligent to re route etc.
16 plate was similar, takes me off a roads/motoways and takes me through a housing estate.
 

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Is it my unlucky experience, or do others find this too?
I'm driving Soul EV with 03/03/2021 software and EUR.13 maps.

In rural environments the navigation seems far too willing to take me off perfectly good A and B roads and down miles of "roads" where grass verges brush the right and left sides of the car and grass is growing in the middle. I imagine that it may have thought that the road was just national speed limit, even though in reality I must go quite slowly due to having no room for cars to pass and no visibility round bends. A few weeks ago it sent me through about 30 minutes of slow and tense driving which I am sure could have been bettered speed-wise, if not distance, by taking a less stressful route. I needed to reverse-up 2-3 times and other cars had to do the same.
I've had moments when it has wanted me to turn into a track and I've thought "I'm not doing that", so stopped and got my phone out to have a second opinion from Google's navigation. I've used Google as a second opinion and it seems to be a bit more reasonable at sticking to better roads.

I know the possible answer of: "don't use the Kia navigation - Use Android Auto" !!!! Ditto any other "workaround"
I've done that on several occasions.

What I'd like is for Kia and Here maps to take on board the feedback that something needs tweaking in the navigation planning.

Constructive criticism time:-
The software has settings to do things like avoid tolls and other things, can they think about some setting to prefer classified roads where possible?
Is there a problem with the routing not taking account that an unrestricted road does not = 60 mph road?
Is there perhaps more emphasis on shortest distance than time?
Could it be possible to calculate "simplest route" for a driver (minimum numbers of road turns)?

I'm sure that on a recent journey the car got me to take a right turn into a narrow unclassified road which 5 minutes later emerged onto a B road where I then went right. It had chosen to cut a corner off, but at the expense of right turns and being sent via a narrow, slow road which wasn't wide enough for two-way traffic! I am sure there was no traffic to have made that a justifiable cut on time-saving. I would have much preferred to spend 3 more minutes on the A road then turn where there was good signage for destinations into a B road where I spend another 2 minutes driving comfortably.

Just to repeat the point I made earlier - I know that I could use other software. I would like Kia to make it better. I'm not aware of any 3rd party software being able to send graphics to the HUD.
I totally agree.

Yesterday, I drove between Bellingdon and Wavendon. These are two villages in Buckinghamshire that are 27 miles apart. I drove there, by the short route and back, by the fast route - 2 minutes quicker but half a mile longer.

After a couple of miles I was instructed to turn off a B road on to an unpaved dirt road that was so narrow, the bushes rubbed against both sides of the car at the same time.

The potholes were so many and so deep that for 0.7 miles, I was roughly rocked from side to side and never went above 5mph.

Eventually I turned on to an A road. Despite that awful section, it was the fast route as the journey home really was 2 minutes quicker.

Both sides of my car are scratched, however.
 

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I have recently changed from a 19 reg sportage to 71 reg and the difference is amazing. I used the 19 reg built in all the time with my iphone hotspot and apart from diversions due to delays never had any problems, but my new 71 version with UVO has caused me nothing but problems. on turning the satnav on for the first time I got a pop-up say maps were out of date and to update as soon as possible, (For which dealer wanted to charge me £45, but that's another story)

My first experience was a journey from Carsington Water to home in Solihull. Straight forward, minot roads towards Derby, A38 south onto the A446 and M42 home....The UVO version took me round Derby, around the east of Nottingham, A50 towards Leicester (all the time getting further from home) at which point I turned it off, I think it was going to take me M69 to M6 and then M42.

On recent trip to Devon on a single round trip it took me down a 3 mile route that rapidly became single track with no passing places and folage brushing both sides and once at my destination I arrived at a B road that was only a mile from the A39 which it had taken me off. On the return it guided me through a maze of country roads and then gave me directions to turn onto a little road with a steep hill clearly signed "unsuitable for Motor Vehicles", Again I turned it off, used apple maps and followed a much safer and only slightly longer route to my destination.

Using UVO seems to be a problem. You are given a recommended route with distance and time and an alternative route but with no information as to what the route entails, On 2 separate occasions it has given the response "No recommended route available" AND "No alternative route available". On the old system you could go through turn by turn and check where it was taking you. This facility does not seem to be available on the UVO. It may be that I have not yet completely learned to full capabilities of UVO, but I have tried.

At least I have found that I can connect Apple Maps and Google maps to the display unit via USB and have been recommended Waze as a good phone based system which I intend to try.

From my initial usage, I am less than pleased with it's fitness for purpose or its merchantable quality. It certainly does not match up with my Go 5000 Tomtom and the annual update fee is only marginally cheaper than 12 month TomTom camera updates. My advice, If you have time, Plan your route with Via Michelin, TomTom or any other stand alone system and only use the on board in an emergency. It will get you there, eventually. Which way is another question???
 

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I have recently changed from a 19 reg sportage to 71 reg and the difference is amazing. I used the 19 reg built in all the time with my iphone hotspot and apart from diversions due to delays never had any problems, but my new 71 version with UVO has caused me nothing but problems. on turning the satnav on for the first time I got a pop-up say maps were out of date and to update as soon as possible, (For which dealer wanted to charge me £45, but that's another story)

My first experience was a journey from Carsington Water to home in Solihull. Straight forward, minot roads towards Derby, A38 south onto the A446 and M42 home....The UVO version took me round Derby, around the east of Nottingham, A50 towards Leicester (all the time getting further from home) at which point I turned it off, I think it was going to take me M69 to M6 and then M42.

On recent trip to Devon on a single round trip it took me down a 3 mile route that rapidly became single track with no passing places and folage brushing both sides and once at my destination I arrived at a B road that was only a mile from the A39 which it had taken me off. On the return it guided me through a maze of country roads and then gave me directions to turn onto a little road with a steep hill clearly signed "unsuitable for Motor Vehicles", Again I turned it off, used apple maps and followed a much safer and only slightly longer route to my destination.

Using UVO seems to be a problem. You are given a recommended route with distance and time and an alternative route but with no information as to what the route entails, On 2 separate occasions it has given the response "No recommended route available" AND "No alternative route available". On the old system you could go through turn by turn and check where it was taking you. This facility does not seem to be available on the UVO. It may be that I have not yet completely learned to full capabilities of UVO, but I have tried.

At least I have found that I can connect Apple Maps and Google maps to the display unit via USB and have been recommended Waze as a good phone based system which I intend to try.

From my initial usage, I am less than pleased with it's fitness for purpose or its merchantable quality. It certainly does not match up with my Go 5000 Tomtom and the annual update fee is only marginally cheaper than 12 month TomTom camera updates. My advice, If you have time, Plan your route with Via Michelin, TomTom or any other stand alone system and only use the on board in an emergency. It will get you there, eventually. Which way is another question???
Thanks @MGL you have confirmed something that I have suspected for sometime, this issue may be connected to the new UVO based headsets. I wonder if it has something to do with the absence of Options in the Nav setup menus, particularly the Fast Route options.
 
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