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Hi Folks.

After nearly two years of aggravation and expense with Renaults we are heading East and have traded in a 2002 auto Scenic with 83k on the clock and a mysterious reluctance to start that no-one could diagnose and a 1999 auto Clio with 50k that's given us loads of grief and cost a fortune in repairs in little over a year.

Instead we have bought a 2008 Cee'd 1.6 LS auto with 20k on the clock and nearly four years warranty remaining - a big factor in our decision to buy Kia - and a 2006 Picanto 1.1 LX auto with 39k on the clock - no warranty remaining but we're banking on Kia build quality and reliability, which *cannot* be worse than Renault's!

We collect the Picanto this Saturday but already have the Cee'd and what a nice car it is - very solid, quality feel, very 'planted' on the road, brilliant stereo, great wing mirrors and very smooth engine and gearbox. The LS spec is really good - I love aircon so climate control is the icing on the cake. And the doors - they clunk like a vault in the Bank of England - or possibly 'like a SPAM' as the ad has it - but I would say better.

Looking forward to getting the Picanto this weekend and to reading about everyone's experiences with Kias on this forum.

Also looking forward to some motoring without worrying about cars playing up or breaking down.
 

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Hmm - something's replaced my use of the word for that car produced by that German car company in Wolfsburg whose name is the same as a game played by men with very small balls- I think you know which one I mean!
 

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Yes on this forum the word G O L F is replaced by the word spam. That is ok and nowt to worry about.
 

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davy said:
Yes on this forum the word G O L F is replaced by the word spam. That is ok and nowt to worry about.
Yes thats true Davy the best place for a SPAM is in a crusher to be made in to a tin for the spam
 

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Greetings Pieman,


I traded in Norfolk for Derbyshire... But that's a different story
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Like you, I traded in for a kia cee'd 2008, and you may care to see my "Newbie - SR7 information" (scroll down just a few postings). Our long-standing local garage, of some 10 years plus, on asking their opinion of what cars to look out for and what to avoid said to us "anything but a French car. Expensive to maintain and often not easy to work on..." My wife's peugot 104 died a death on passing it on to a friend. That was an embarassment and another story too long to post on here. I'd certainly advise you speaking to Luke at KIA Head Office to check your car has had any "Known issues" seen to, which get sorted free of charge under the remaining warranty. All the info under my first posting. So will you give it a good spin on Acle Straight, dodging the motorbikes if things haven't changed in the past 15 years?
 

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Hi and welcome, where in Norfolk are you headed?, Im up near the Cromer coast with my Pro Ceed and my wifes Picanto.
I don`t get to drive the Picanto too often but it`s a great car....I would trade my Pro for another in a flash if money permitted.



Hope to hear from you soon in both car sections - roll on Saturday for you
 

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Thanks all for kind messages of welcome.

Don't find myself Acle-way very often - usually get to Great Yarmouth via A149 and Stalham if I *have* to go that way. But bought Cee'd from a dealer in Whitstable, Kent, so had half of a 330-odd mile round trip to see what it could do. However, not being the boy-racer type I usually take it easy with a car that's new to me until I feel more confident in it - nothing to do with being 53, just the way I am. And I bought the car to save (some) fuel, not waste it!

Not as soft a ride as my outgoing Scenic, but quite acceptable - wasn't aching when I got home or anything. Car felt more direct on the road - better into and out of corners, but then the Scenic is quite a tall vehicle.

We live north of the old Coltishall RAF base, between Aylsham and North Walsham, so easy to get to Cromer and elsewhere on the coast.

Plenty of lunatics on incredibly powerful and fast motorbikes around here - the road nearby is popular with bikers at the weekend and the service road past the old airbase - the road to nowhere we call it - seems to be a magnet for them, probably because it's wide with sweeping bends yet largely empty (certainly of police cars, anyway).

Off to Newark, Notts tomorrow with the Clio to swap it for the Picanto - another 220 mile round trip.

Happy driving!
 

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All hasn't gone well with the Picanto, I regret to report.

When I went to pick it up I thought it was running 'lumpily' at tickover and seemed to lack 'oomph'.

'Probably getting low on fuel or because it hasn't been used for a while', said the salesman - where do they get these excuses; there must be a special book of them.

Well, I suppose I should have rejected the car, got my deposit back and driven home in the Clio, but I didn't. I paid my money and drove all the way back in a gutless Picanto. In an auto, you need the engine running smoothly so it will creep smoothly in traffic or hold quietly at junctions. But this one wasn't.

On getting home I checked the spark plugs to see if there was any difference in their condition; there wasn't.

As it happened I already have an ELM 327 diagnostic device that connects to my laptop. Once I'd found the data port (under the dashboard above the pedals, driver's side) I was able to review the error codes, which were:

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<!-->'P0302 ""“ powertrain ""“ cylinder 2 misfire detected'
and ""˜P0650 ""“ Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) circuit'

So plainly there's a misfire in the engine, which explains the lumpy tickover. and a fault on the warning light circuit, which explains why the engine symbol light wasn't illuminating. Strange fault, that last one - could someone have disabled the circuit to hide the misfire?

Well, I am now waiting for the dealer to arrange to collect the Picanto and take it back to fix it. Not the happiest start to what we were hoping would be a trouble-free relationship with our 'new' Kia!
 

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Sorry to hear about the car, hope things get sorted soon.
Good old Coltishall, I was on 6 Sqn there a while back, now up at RAF Marham, my 15 minute drives now 1hr 15 !!!!
if you see a black pro with black alloys you'll have to give me a flash :)
 

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I'm sure I have *no* idea what you mean!


Update: the selling dealer felt it best for the car to go in to the local Kia franchised dealer in Norwich, so that is where it is at the moment. They are also checking crankshaft endfloat, as that can cause ignition trouble because the TDC sensor doesn't get triggered properly if the wear on the crankshaft is even a fraction out - or something.

The service manager also speculated that the MIL circuit may not be functioning because 'someone' removed the bulb to hide a fault!

We will see!
 
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