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2004 kia 2.9 dieselLE



Iam new here an have very little knowlage of cars soalwaysrely on regular servicing by garages to keep me goingbut seem to have been left with large bill becuase of a fuel filter



2 weeks after a major service my fuel sedimentor light came on and after reading the book which said not to drive the cari decided to empty it as the handbook sugested this was somthing you could do youself, loads of water/fuel came out but after refitting and using the primer pump as shown(which seemed to justbe pumping air)the car would not start.



it was a weekend andi desperatly needed the car so decided not to mess about and call my brakedown company butdespite some time spent they could not start it but seemed supprised when i said it has just been serviced that the fuel filter had not been changed before it got to this stagebutit wasnt for them to comment.



Ithen read the book and see it should be changed every 20000 miles. it was not changed at the last major service just 2 weeks before this happenednor theprevious major serviceat the samegarage so it was wellover due.( it had a basic serviceat the garage i bought it from before deliverybut the books not stampedand iassume it was not changed then)



its been towed to the garage who initially said the primer pump valve was faulty and replcaed it but it still wouldnt start so another garage put it on some test equipment and an injector is stuck open which needs replacing



before the light came on the car was fine so does anyone have any idea how what seemed to be such a simple thing has lead to such a costly repair andcouldthe fuelfilter not being changed havecontirbuted to itorcould i have damaged something just byemptyingit?



any help would be appreciated
 

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First of all dont ever say to a garage I know nothing about cars, thats an open cheque book to some garages but not all.
The car was running ok I take before you tinkered with it apart from the sedimentor/water sensor light came on ?
All you did was run off some watery diesel and are you sure you tightened the drain/sensor at bottom of filter ?
Now did you try and start the car before you pumped the primer ?
You've got to open the air bleed screw on the filter priming head and pump untill you got a good stream of diesel coming out with no air then start the engine and let it idle for a while, sometimes the engine dies and you've got to try starting it again and when you've got it firing sometimes you have to give it some revs to keep going sometimes not, it all depends how much air has been drawn from the filter to the HP pump and injectors.
Hope I have been of some assistance to you.



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Yes car ran fine, followed instructions in hand book but primmer pump did not seem to do anything just air, did try to start a couple of times it as to see if fuel was coming through but very briefly - so did not mess around further.

Breakdown company continuously tried to start it till battery went flat

garage has replaced injector which £45 diagnostic said was the problem but still wont start and are now saying fuel pump also shot so that's a faulty valve in primmer pump - damaged injector and now damaged fuel pump

garage are telling me the vigorous attempts at starting with no fuel coming through probably caused all these problems

looking at 1200+ so far so car is going for scrap probably.
 

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Sorry to hear that Biggles.
What I would do is take the fuel feed hose off at the priming pump head and make sure fuel can be drawn from the fuel tank, if this is not possible then there could be a blockage of the pick up in the fuel tank, if fuel comes through ok I would take the fuel filter off and renew it with a genuine Kia one, but before you screw it on fill it with diesel from a jug or can, dont forget to fit the fuel sedimentor sensor or you will have soaked your shoes with diesel. Connect everything back up and try and bleed any air from the filter head by opening air screw. Then try and start the car, if it doesn't start then you may have to try a tow start thats if its not an auto.
IMHO I cant see that the HP pump has packed in as the car was ok before you drained the water off.
If you cant do the above I would then take it to another garage for a second opinion.
 

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when the garage first had the car 2 weeks ago they got it started with some machine that presumably sucks fuel through and they called me to pick it up as it was fine.

when i got there the car would not start

they then said the primmer pump valve was faulty and fuel was"running back" so they repleced it and the filter but it still would not start on its own (i have since checked on their paper work and they did not change the fuel filter at a major service just week prior to this nor at the last major service they did last year which is why the sedimetor light came on to start the ball rolling on all of this in the 1st place)

They specifically told me the fuel pump was fine as it was pumping fuel with no problem

they the said they would have to get a specialist diesel mechanic to look at it with some diagnostic equipment (45+vat) which would identify the problem

I agreed and they came back to me to say an injector was stuck open

I said i would have it done but was reaching my limit financially ( had just paid £1600 for major service, broken gear selector cables, clutch and other bits 2 weeks prior to this)

The car was to be ready wed but i heard nothing so i phoned friday to be told they were "having problems" and said the fuel filter was shot as well (even though they had already told me it was fine)

They say the "vigorous" attempts to start it (not by me) without the fuel running through probably caused all this damage

They want paying for work so far and i will need to get it recovered as it wont start, i simply cannot afford any more on this car.

I will get it back home somehow and decide what to do from there.
 

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having read this a few times over you said that you have had the clutch replaced and selector cables done have they checked the crank sensor is not damaged as it sits on the bellhousing.
also if the have been cranking the car for long peroids of time with a dry pump this will damage the pump.

this is one of the problems when the get filled up with petrol as it damages the rotors in the pump as the have no lube ie diesel to help them from wear.
 

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Garage now tells me they do not replace fuel filters, even if due as per the handbook recomendation because of the problems it can cause.

Another garage now tells me all 4 injectors and pump need replacing if i am to keep the car long term with cost in excess of £2000
only people who cranked the car for long periods of time were breakdown company - twice

bought the car for £4500 14 month ago an have spent £2000+ since and it will now have to go for scrap
 

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"Garage now tells me they do not replace fuel filters, even if due as per
the handbook recomendation because of the problems it can cause."

Sounds like some breech of contract between you and gararge , what if they didn't adjust brakes because it would be dangerous if they screwed it up ! That lot should say we are scared to lift your bonnet during service because we may cause damage that we couldn.t possibly cope with.
 

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I have been advised to get it in writing from them as to exactly why they did not change the fuel filter when due.

They seem to be working on the assumption that it was down to me to tell them i wanted it done. (but they do not change them any way - even though its own 1-40 service schedule)


I am told by the garage that has the car now that its fairly common for fuel filters to get overlooked but in most cases a quick change or empty and of you go - its seems i have been incredibly unlucky (were talking about a person here who's gear selector cable broke 300 miles from home at Christmas just gone!!!)

I dont know how true but they have told be the fuel pump it my car (2004) is prone to "breaking up" (something to do with rollers??) attempts to start the car with no fuel in it could damage it (cars done 87000)

What ever happens the repairs just unaffordable.
 

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i now have the full cost of £2250 + £150 for work at other garage so £2400

4 injectors and fuel pump and labour, they say the tank has to come of to make sure everything clean

Its the parts costs that are killing it to be honest (£1620 inc vat)

Its simply unaffordable so will most likely go for scrap, breakers have offered me £300

This all started out as a £70 repair job
 
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