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Not long had my ne E Niro and my first home Charge on a 7kw chaatger gave me the expected 100% charge and 284 miles
However my second charge last night gave me 100% again but this time it only showed 264 miles ??? I didn’t the heating in or anything ??
Can anyone shed any light please ??
 

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The GOM estimate is based on your recent driving history, when you start getting better m/Kw figures for your trips which should happen as the weather gets warmer, it will improve.
 

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The GOM estimate is based on your recent driving history, when you start getting better m/Kw figures for your trips which should happen as the weather gets warmer, it will improve.
Hey thanks for the info that makes sense I know the weather effects it and I suppose my driving style will alter the GOM based on the journeys I did after first charge I did
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Opps, editing too long and now a late answer

100% amounts to a certain amount of electrical energy. It takes more energy to push the car at higher speeds (air resistance becomes much greater with speed), so it takes more energy to cover 10 miles at 70 than it does to cover 10 miles at 20 or 40. The car is making an estimate, a guess, on how far it will be able to go based on your recent journeys. I don't think any of us know precisely how many days or miles are taken into consideration and whether recent miles are weighted more strongly than older miles...

If you have a pattern of use of the car which takes you on a daily commute at high speed it will give a different estimate for how far a 100% charge will take you than if you commonly do low speed school runs and urban driving. It will have learnt (on the basis of recent use) how many miles per kilowatt-hour you are typically getting. It is revising this decision all the time.
For instance consider this easily imagined scenario: a driver spends a month pootling around locally at low speed, then at the end of the month the driver takes a rare journey from London to Edinburgh (400 miles at high speed). After the period of low-speed driving the car has estimated 4.5 miles/kWh as your rolling-average, so the 64kWh battery can be estimated to give you 288 miles of range. The driver plans a stop for recharging and something to eat at about 260 miles, hoping that the 28 miles contingency is enough. As the journey progresses the car will be likely to be performing in the range 3-4 miles/kWh and it will be adjusting its "guess" for remaining distance accordingly. The driver may be forced to stop earlier than expected. Over the course of the journey the range indicated will have been correctly predicting the shorter range. At the end of the journey the driver plugs in at the hotel - In the morning the car reports 100% and 230 miles of range, because that is a reasonable guess based on recent performance. People often refer to this as the "guessometer". It is a bit unfair because it is actually quite accurate at estimating what you need to know, most of the time. Many reviewers have been complimentary that Kias are quite good at delivering the range that they indicate (more so than some other brands). The guess can be "off" when the pattern of use changes.

So you new e-Niro may have been delivered to the dealership and to you with only a few low-speed short journeys. As it is taking more recent journeys into account it is adopting a lower miles-per-killowatt-hour figure. You said "??? I didn’t the heating in or anything ??"... You are right to consider the heating, it is a factor, but I suggest that your pattern of use and the local temperatures have altered the efficiency.

Personally I like to have the "Trip" information shown on my dash display, there are various display choices. The "Consumption" display is a bit too instantaneous for my liking. I prefer the "Drive Info" which shows the rolling average of this "drive" since you started. If you stop for less than 4 hours it considers the next drive as just continuation of the same "drive". Using this I can often see that the efficiency starts low at around 3.0 miles/kWh (when the heating is warming the cold car), and the number can rise to more like 3.8 as a journey progresses over 10-30 minutes and the heating has stopped doing as much work. I also find the "Drive Info" useful because it means that I have a good idea how a particular journey is going. In mild weather I expect the efficiency to be over 4 or at least high 3.x values. For a really cold start I expect around 3.0, but it can be way better by leaving the heat off. I have the heat on because the "hit" isn't as great once the car has warmed up a bit.
[An aside: The "consumption unit can be expressed as miles/kWh or kWh per 100 miles. I find the miles/kWh to be handy small numbers roughly in the range 3-4, where less than 3 is bad and >4 is doing very well. I find the how many kilowatts to do a distance a bit odd - we all talked about miles-per-gallon mpg, not gallons per hundred miles!]
 
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Different EV for me (Leaf e+), but like RobinB find the miles/kW good guide. Also watch the battery charge percent level.
From this info I can easily estimate actual range remaining, particularly useful on longer trips to plan charge stops if needed.
The indicated max mileage on car display is pure theory, imho. Don't rely on it (unless your route is all downhill with a following wind!)

(By the way, I found the same thing with ICE cars, & preferred to estimate distance to empty rather than take the display too seriously.)
 

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Different EV for me (Leaf e+), but like RobinB find the miles/kW good guide. Also watch the battery charge percent level.
From this info I can easily estimate actual range remaining, particularly useful on longer trips to plan charge stops if needed.
The indicated max mileage on car display is pure theory, imho. Don't rely on it (unless your route is all downhill with a following wind!)

(By the way, I found the same thing with ICE cars, & preferred to estimate distance to empty rather than take the display too seriously.)
I'm fairly content with the job that our Soul EV does at estimating the range on the GOM. The estimate that it shows before a journey depends on recent performance, so the seasonal change in weather has resulted in me seeing around 270-280 in the warm months and less in these cold months, say 230-250. That's not a bad starting point. Once you embark on a journey it seems to be quite good at adjusting for whether this has turned out to be a 70mph juice-guzzling journey, so I can see if the GOM reckons I'm going to reach a charger that the nav reckons is a certain distance away. If it told me 230 miles and I thought I'd been town driving most recently or a period of cold had set-in I'd probably take that initial estimate with a pinch of salt.

I've only pushed this to the limit once. We were returning from Devon to home in London and had been observing that we had just enough to get home without stopping at any of the several stops that I might use on the A303/M3 route. We had only had the car for 3 or 4 months and we both decided that we wanted to see what happened at various stages (my partner and I are both curious-chimp type techies!)... so we were interested when the excess range for our journey gradually dropped from a comfortable 20 miles when we were 150 miles away to less and less as we progressed. We saw the tortoise warning but the GOM still showed more range than we needed. Then the GOM started showing a worrying --- but we were less than a mile from home. It was tight, but we made it. I only later saw the "Mr EV" Youtube video where he abruptly went from something like 8% to flat. He later revealed that the car benefits from an occasional charge from under 20% to 100% in one continuous charge. It enables the car to more accurately calibrate the scale from 0 to 100%.
[Edit: Ha - I see @iooi has got in before I posted with the very video I was remembering!]
 
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