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I see on ebay that one can buy a box to fit the Soul that claims to increase the power output from 128hp to 17hp. Has anyone done this successfullyand been pleased with the result? How easy is the conversion?

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Ok guys, by now you probably know i sell our brand of Re-Mappable PowerBox.....website at the bottom if your interested.....the reason i am responding to this thread regarding the Drake Box, is that i was approached by the company in Italy to re-sell this product along side our own.....and was sent sample boxes to try.

Well, for £40 cost price i had many doubts of the integrity of these, and when they arrived i was not surprised.

The box contains a resistor mounted on a circuit board with a digital press button to show which programme you are selecting....there are no programmes....

Everything cased in solid black silicone.............



Tomorrow i will post up a picture of the box and internals....i would not like anyone to get hoodwinked into a load of rubbish.



Although i endorse our PowerBox, at least it is a Full digital Tuning Box with 9 seperate programmes......we can not buy the cables and outer boxes for nearly the price they are offering dealers !!!!




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The one with the photos. We used to make brake wear indicators and the most successful (reliable) and tamperproof were the ones that were filled with resin.
Not saying it is any better than yours - only that it should still work OK.
 

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Just a brief explanation of the resistor type Tuning boxes being sold on ebay for around £100.....



Having been a member of various car forums and been asked whether these 'tuning chips' work a bazillion times by other members, and after seeing how many are being listed on Ebay, i thought it was time to set the record straight on what they are, and the harm they can do to your engine. Firstly, they neither chip or tune your engine - only a proper ECU chip, mapped to suit your car with the correct fuelling/air ratios can tune it (superchip, seb Re-Mappable Tuning Boxes.etc) and these are usually 100-400 pounds to buy and are a replacement EPROM for the board in your cars ecu,or placed inside the tuning box.They'reNOT a 10p resistor available from any branch of maplins or RS. So what doesthis resistor actually do? In a nutshell it cons your ecu by sending it false information about the temperature of the air going through the airflow meter or IAT sensor on your cars engine. It basically makes the ecu think the air is much colder than it actually is.The colder the air, the denser it becomes. Dense air (if my physics is right) means that you're getting more oxygen per cubic centimetre (CC) in the combustionchamber which makes the mixture of fuel and air burn hotter, making a bigger bang and creating more power. Its this information that is used by the ecu to adjust the amount of fuel needed for the conditions its sensing,and proper running of the engine. Right, thats the science bit out the way.


So whats the problem with the resistor 'chip' then?? Right.....with one of these resistors fitted, your cars ecurecieves the air temperature info via the resistor which, as said previously, is not an accurate reading of the air temperature going into the throttle body. Because of this, the ecu makesthe fuel system of your vehicle deliver fuel at a higher rate than the engine needs. Yes you might feel a small improvement in power (although in some vehicles the opposite is true)buttoo much or too little fuel is pretty serious as it can lead to detonation, lumpy idle, bore wash,higher emissions, lower mpg and, in extreme cases,evenwrecked pistons!! Anyone whose ever had their car in for repairs at a garage will know how costly in terms of inconvenience and money this can be, and dont expect much help from the seller, as thesmall print on the packaging will state that no liability will be taken for damage caused from useof the product :(


Please remember what your parents probably told you many times - if something seems too good to be true it most probably is!! There are no tuning mods that deliver 20+ BHP for a couple of quid.....if it was that simple to gain horsepower from an otherwise standard engine car manufacturers development costs would be a lot lower and everyone would own a racing team ;) Unfortunately there are also no shortage of unscrupulous people who are only too happy to relieve you of your hard earned money by promising the earth and delivering a nightmare so research your subject before you buy.....


If you're serious about tuning your engine the best advice i can give you is to go online andjoin a forum that covers your make and model. This way you can speak to people who have already done it. They will tell you what works and what doesn't, whats good value for money and whats a con, and you'll meet friendly,like minded people as an added bonus :)


Well thats my tuppence worth - hope reading this has been of some usefulness to you. Please remember to mark it as helpful if it has been :)


Buy smart, and remember........fire burns!
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Mine goes well enough anyway.Edited by: anchorman
 

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I've said it before but its worth repeating, how can a man in a shed hope to improve what a manufacturer spends 1000's of hours developing. To get more power you need more fuel and more air, allany of these devices do is add more fuel.Fitting one will invalidate your warranty and also invalidate your insurance unless you tell them.
If your car is not powerful enough you bought the wrong one, puy a more powerful car next time.

Paul

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Paul,
I accept partially what you are saying, but our company is not based in a shed.

We always advise our customers to notify the insurance company, and modifications of any type can invalidate your warranty.





Why just an easy point, then does VW offer the same engine in 105/115/130Bhp......the exact same engine but the software is altered to produce the extra Bhp/Nm of Torque...just the same as the eprom chip used in our PowerBoxes.





Taff

PS.We supply our PowerBox under blank casings to several dealerships.
 

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The last time I seriously looked at buying a VW (1999) the difference between the 90 and 110 models was not just the chip, the 110 had a different turbo. Have a BMW now, the 2 litre diesel is available in 122, 143, 172 and 202 bhp versions. Not entirely sure of all the differences but I do know for definite that the 202 bhp version has twin turbos and the gearbox and diffratios are different in all the models to make the most of the different power/economy charisteristicsthus its not just a simple chip change is it.

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Paul,
I have been in this business for 8 years, prior to this a mechanical engineer so i would not have added this line to the company if it was not a reputable German product.

There are persons like yourself who do not like or want to like them...so be the case...we come across this from time to time. I could spend all week giving you arguements in my favour, which would be fruitless due to your principles..i respect that..



I wish also that you respect our company and product, you have not wished to try it, thats fair, but please do not knock the product.

We have 3 company Passats.....all the same except for the bhp values.....



Bmw are different, i did state all manufacturers were the same...Fiat/Alfa/Citroen/Peugeot etc are all of the same as Vw in this case...



Have a nice day



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In the Pro Ceed Kia now offer a 4 spec CRDi model with 126 bhp instead of 113 bhp as fitted to the 3 spec model with the max power of both engines being delivered at 4000 rpm. How Kia find this extra power I have no idea. Interestingly the torque figures for both engines is identical with 188 lbs/ft of torque being produced between 1900 and 2750 rpm. Since torque/bhp/revs are linked by a simple to use formula bhp= (torque x rpm)/5252 (the awake amongst you will have realised that at 5252 revs torque and bhp are identical) we can calculate the bhp figures.
188 x 1900 / 5252 = 68 bhp
188 x 2750 / 5252 = 98 bhp

Since most diesel usersdrive betweenthese revs most of the time what is the point in an extra 13 bhp that will be accessed once a flood. In the past the Fords I have bought have not only had a useful bhp increase when you paid more but you also got a useful torque increase, same applies to VW and BMW. My guess is Kia have simply increased the fueling with no other changes to give this extra power whereas other manufacturers actually do a little more.

If Kia with all their resources can only manage to increase power with no change in torque I cannot believe that these tuning boxes will be any different, if they were surely Kia would be buying them to fit and then sack all the R & D staff.

When I was racing there was a commonly used saying, power sells engines, torque wins races.

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Torque is the most important especiall;y with the diesel.
We offer 3 different programmes for the Ceed.

1.6, 90bhp increases to 110bhp..Nm increases from 235 to 260Nm

1.6, 115bhp increases to 140bhp..Nm increases from 255 to 310Nm

2.0, 140bhp increases to 172bhp..Nm increases from 305 to 362Nm.......

Each of the programmes offer 9 different settings, so you can alter the 9 powercurves to your style of driving



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Can I join in on this discussion please ?
I had a tuning box on my Rio diesel up untill I sold it. I had it on for 2 plus years with no problems. The torque was up from and I quote from Pro-Bitz site 235Nm to 277Nm, BHP was up from 110 to 130bhp. Now I never got the car dynoed so I cant say if these figs were true or not. But my ass dyno certainly felt there was a great increase with the box so I was happy. MPG did not suffer.
If anybody wants to go that route for more power/performance and it DOES work for not alot of bucks then whats your problem with that Paul.
Now I have a Seat Leon 2.0 TDI Sport with the 140 BKD engine and I got a remap done by Celtic Tuning through an Audi/VW specialist. It cost me £360.
Torque figs standard 320NM remapped 406NM. Or 236ft/lb to 300ft/lb in old money
Power standard 140bhp remapped 188bhp
Cant say on mpg figs as it was only done yesterday.
Now Paul I always hear you saying why dont you buy a car with the power you want instead of modding a lower powered car. Well I will tell you why.
I would have liked the Leon FR tdi with the BMM engine which has 170bhp and 350NM torque but Insurance would have been higher for a start and the FR engine runs Siemens electrics on the engine and they are giving alot of grief with injectors going and wiring costing £800 each. The 140 engine has Bosch electrics and are alot more reliable.
Now the turbo on my Leon is good for 200bhp and so is the clutch and transmission. Mine has the big brakes so ok in the stopping dept. Suspension is able to handle that power. I actually find it very firm but it handles great. My mate who has a VXR Insignia said it was like driving a gokart point the front and it goes there
My findings after the remap well is bloody awesome. The rush comes in at 2k and stays there till after 4k.
The reason I didn't go for a box was that a mate who has a G O L F 1.9TDI tried a box then got a remap at the same place I did, said it was more powerful and smoother than the box.
I think boxes are a cheap way of getting more power but now that I have had a remap I would say the remap is a better option BUT it is alot more expensive. Personally I think £350 is expensive for just software cos thats all it is just a rewrite of the ECU. The box at a £100 say, well you can see it is an item and something to hold so it appears good for the money and DOES give good results.
I wish you could try one Paul as it may sway your opinions of them.
 

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Tell me Taff if I ask Kia if the fitting of the box will effect my 7 year warranty what will the answer be ?
 
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