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So my 2011 Rio has failed its MOT. It failed on a few things;
  • Offside Front Brake pipe excessively corroded (1.1.11 (c))
  • Brake pipe excessively corroded front to rear x2 (1.1.11 (c))
  • Exhaust emissions exceed default limit of 1.5m-1 (8.2.2.2 (b))
Any one got any advice/experience with these issues? Will I need male and female fittings for the Brake pipes?
Thanks in advance!
 

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You'll need fittings and a flaring tool if you intend to make your own lines up.
Depends how much of the rears have gone, you might need new lines the full length of the car.
 

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Are they difficult to remove/refit? Anything in the way?
Take it to a garage.

Don't take offence, but if you haven't worked on brakes before then fitting new lines shouldn't be your first job.

They are easy if you have any DIY ability. You might have access difficulties with the exhaust and the fuel tank depending upon which line is affected.
With a flaring tool you can splice in replacement sections rather than removing the entire line.
 

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I've worked on a few cars but this would be the first time doing brake pipes. Hence asking for advice :LOL: I'd rather not spend £290 if I can avoid it
Be aware that cheap flaring tools that will flare kunifer replacement sections,but may struggle to flare the original steel ends because it's a harder metal. Also pipes and fittings come in different sizes so you need to know the pipe diameter and fixing threads. It also takes a bit of practice to make double and single flares. To save money you could:
Buy an off the shelf brake pipe for this make and model and fit it and bleed system.
Use the original nut ends and make your own full length pipes with kunifer using the original as a template and fit and bleed.
Use the original ends and get a garage or brake pipe specialist to make replacement pipes and fit it and bleed it.
All three are inexpensive and relatively simple but time consuming diy and obviously you must be confident it's done correctly.
Is the 290 for the brake pipes alone or including the emissions which potentially is the big cost.
 

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Be aware that cheap flaring tools that will flare kunifer replacement sections,but may struggle to flare the original steel ends because it's a harder metal. Also pipes and fittings come in different sizes so you need to know the pipe diameter and fixing threads. It also takes a bit of practice to make double and single flares. To save money you could:
Buy an off the shelf brake pipe for this make and model and fit it and bleed system.
Use the original nut ends and make your own full length pipes with kunifer using the original as a template and fit and bleed.
Use the original ends and get a garage or brake pipe specialist to make replacement pipes and fit it and bleed it.
All three are inexpensive and relatively simple but time consuming diy and obviously you must be confident it's done correctly.
Is the 290 for the brake pipes alone or including the emissions which potentially is the big cost.
The £290 is just for the brake pipes. The garage had rang a bit later to say theyd give the car a run out and retested the emissions which it passed. The main bit of advice I was looking for was if someone had replaced the pipes on a similar Rio and how they got on, what was in the way etc to see how much of a pain its gonna be so was prepared 😅
 

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I haven't done a rio but have done plenty of others.

Get under the car and see where the rotten bit is and where the pipes run, if they don't go above the fuel tank it'll be easy, if they run straight over the tank and you haven't got much room to work to get a flare tool in then it'll be a bit more hassle, especially if you have to lower the tank for access.

Watch some YouTube videos on double and single flares... Way easier than reading about it. Watching it makes it much easier to understand.
 

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I haven't done a rio but have done plenty of others.

Get under the car and see where the rotten bit is and where the pipes run, if they don't go above the fuel tank it'll be easy, if they run straight over the tank and you haven't got much room to work to get a flare tool in then it'll be a bit more hassle, especially if you have to lower the tank for access.

Watch some YouTube videos on double and single flares... Way easier than reading about it. Watching it makes it much easier to understand.
Will do, Thanks!
 

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Be aware that cheap flaring tools that will flare kunifer replacement sections,but may struggle to flare the original steel ends because it's a harder metal. Also pipes and fittings come in different sizes so you need to know the pipe diameter and fixing threads. It also takes a bit of practice to make double and single flares. To save money you could:
Buy an off the shelf brake pipe for this make and model and fit it and bleed system.
Use the original nut ends and make your own full length pipes with kunifer using the original as a template and fit and bleed.
Use the original ends and get a garage or brake pipe specialist to make replacement pipes and fit it and bleed it.
All three are inexpensive and relatively simple but time consuming diy and obviously you must be confident it's done correctly.
Is the 290 for the brake pipes alone or including the emissions which potentially is the big cost.
I forgot to mention that on some cars the fuel tank may require lowering to access front to rear pipes
The £290 is just for the brake pipes. The garage had rang a bit later to say theyd give the car a run out and retested the emissions which it passed. The main bit of advice I was looking for was if someone had replaced the pipes on a similar Rio and how they got on, what was in the way etc to see how much of a pain its gonna be so was prepared 😅
The £290 is just for the brake pipes. The garage had rang a bit later to say theyd give the car a run out and retested the emissions which it passed. The main bit of advice I was looking for was if someone had replaced the pipes on a similar Rio and how they got on, what was in the way etc to see how much of a pain its gonna be so was prepared 😅
It sounds expensive. All the parts would be less than £50. I'm assuming it's an independent garage. I don't know where you live but a general rate would be £40-50 ph independent. £100+at a dealership
 

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The last time I replaced brake pipes on a car, I just removed the whole pipe end to end. Gave it to my local garage and they made me up an identical piece. cheaper than buying the tools and connectors, for a one off job, and it's one solid piece. Then I just swapped it. All depends on how accessible it is.
 

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The last time I replaced brake pipes on a car, I just removed the whole pipe end to end. Gave it to my local garage and they made me up an identical piece. cheaper than buying the tools and connectors, for a one off job, and it's one solid piece. Then I just swapped it. All depends on how accessible it is.
Yeah the accessibility is the only thing really I'm unsure about. Can never find any information online for these Rios 😅
 

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By the time you have bought the (decent) kit, you won't be far off the quote. Let the garage do it. Don't take chances on brakes! get alternative quotes if you think that it is too much.
 

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My dads got everything I'd need kit wise, think he said all I'd need is brake fluid 😅
Have you had a proper look underneath to see what is involved and where the pipes are routed. The unions may be corroded and need release spray or replacement. Any diy work needs prior assessment so you have got all the gear you'll need
 
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