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At long last we now have a plug and play tuning box option available for the latest 1.0 T-GDi engines.

These have been significantly delayed as the new connectors used cannot be purchased outside of the KIA/Hyundai group, requiring us to design and produce our own MAP sensor connectors.

Getting fantastic results in testing of 144hp and 224Nm there is a dyno video here:

Installation is quite straightforward and can easily be done at home. The install video here shows the process:

There are also pdf instructions here: https://bluesparkautomotive.com/instructionfiles/811.pdf

The units are available here at a cost of £184.99: KIA Picanto 1.0 T-GDi 2021+ 100PS - Pro Petrol Turbo Tuning Module

Any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

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Couple of people are talking about the 1.5T in the Ceed and ProCeed - any thoughts on a box for that as the maps look interesting on this?
The 1.5 T-GDi is another engine we are very interested in covering. If anyone has one and is in North East of England or willing to travel I'm sure we could do them a bit of a deal.

I suspect that gains for the 1.5 T-GDI will also be excellent.
 

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I don't want to rain on your parade @[email protected] :rolleyes: and I love tuning gadgets, but i think you should make it clear that fitting any device like this can invalidate manufacturers warranty. Given our Kia's come with a 7 year warranty owner's buying these devices should do so with their eyes open.
The device changes nothing permanently and leaves no trace on the ECU. If you were to take the car back to the dealer with the device fitted, yes the dealership could have an issue with it. As it can be installed and removed in 10-15mins, personally I'd say its always just worth removing it completely prior to visiting the dealer.
 

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That sounds kind of fraudulent to me
If you have paid for a service plan, it sounds very much like an unfair contract term not to provide the service paid for.

There isn't a logical justification as to why they wouldn't provide services you have paid for, regardless of if you had modified it.

I suspect that this is a catch all term, to make sure they aren't agreeing to cover the service requirements of vehicles that have been heavily modified for motorsport use.
 

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Why? If they are prepared to lie to a KIA dealer about the fact that it is, or has been, installed in their car, then it's very likely that they will lie to their insurer about the performance alteration.
We wouldn't ever advise anyone not to tell their insurer about a modification, and all of our vehicles are fully insured with everything declared.
 

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Some disagree with this statement, I may be wrong but I suspect that some of the Bluespark power gain is achieved by boosting the fuel rail pressure and this is likely to be recorded within the ECU. I agree that under normal circumstances the dealer wouldn't look at this but if there were to be a large warranty claim manufacturers are well aware of these products and may ask the dealer to give them a full dump of the ECU data which would also show up any other standard parameters that have been overridden.
There is a lot of confusion regarding this between a piggyback device and a flash map. Where this device differes from a flash map, ECU data is not overwritten. Logged parameters are also not shown higher than stock, if the ECU did see paramaters higher than stock, it would either throw an error or simply trim back values to get back to stock power output.

As a result, you can pull a log from the ECU and everything looks within normal bounds.
 

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Arguably warranty is given and not purchased but either way the provider of warranty is free to stipulate the terms under which they provide said warranty, one is that the vehicle is maintained in the manor stipulated by the manufacturer and only genuine parts are used which seems fair. So it also seems fair that manufactures should exclude any changes made to the car which includes changes to the way the engine operates. These contract terms seem completely fair to me.
I was referring to the service plan as mentioned, rather than the warranty.
 

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It is one thing to fool the cars systems to say boost the fuel rail pressure but it is quite another to manipulate the actual reading that the fuel rail reports back to the ECU, are you quite certain that your systems does this?
In instances where we are modfiying the fuel pressure (not actually the case in this instance), I am 100% sure that the fuel pressure value reported back to the ECU is changed. Its fundamentally how the device works.

I understand where you are coming from. I also understand that tuning your car isn't for everyone, just like any hobby or interest really.
 

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Excellent. Thanks for pointing that out. I am very glad they have the option - that is not so clear just looking at the website.
Just for additional clarity, if anyone requires a specific setup for any reason we can always accomodate this. This is our product, designed and made in Britain from the "ground up" so any change to the mapping (or anything else within reason) on request is always possible.
 

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I use 98/99RON with this box here in the UK ... it is a lot more "consistant" using the higher Octane stuff.

@[email protected] any idea why the new engine performs better?
The new engine has quite a few modifications, including running both direct and indirect injection. The indirect injection will help to prevent all the stuff in the jar in the above picture from settling in the ports and on the backs of the valves. Principally its there for emissions reasons, NOx and PM are lower (especially in certain situations) using indirect injection.

I haven't pulled the two engines apart to compare, but looking at the data, the new car makes more power in the higher RPM at the same boost level. It would appear that as part of the changes Kia have made the engine breathe a little better at higher RPM. Introducing indirect injection will probably have reduced swirl requirements, meaning they can (potentially) have straighter ports, bigger valves and/or a slightly hotter cam profile. Its not going to be major changes, but there's definitely an appreciable difference.
 
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