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Sportage diesel clutch slipping

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    Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 6:12pm
Hi everyone. 
I bought a 2.0 CRDi Sportage with 22000miles on the clock in mid-March, took it to France a fortnight later and not far down the autoroute experienced clutch slipping under heavy load in top gear!  Drove very carefully after that but it happened between ten and twenty times over the next 1500 miles - but not consistently and nearly always when hot.  On two occasions, heavy acceleration in any gear made it slip but on others you might have thought there was nothing wrong with it at all. 
 
Spoke from France to the supplying 4/4 trader who agreed to replace clutch but, now I've returned it to them, they say they can't find anything wrong when driving it!!!
 
Anyone experienced anything similar, or got any advice?  I know from long experience there's nothing more difficult to diagnose than an intermittent car fault, but surely not with the clutch??!!!
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6 speed box?
If so, your dual mass flywheel needs replaceing.

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if you do find out probs please post it ,as i am having same probs on 17000mls, dealer said same cant find probs , i think could be small amount of oil on clutch face which burns off after a while
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Thanks, Murphwiz. 
I didn't even know this model has a dual mass flywheel!  You sound very sure about the diagnosis, but how does this cause such a strange intermittent slippage?  More info would be super-helpful, as I still haven't got the dealer to accept something's wrong, although I know perfectly well that it is!
Thanks again.  Shocked
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Usually manifests itself under high torque loads, try flooring it uphill in third through the rev range, only sure way is to drop the box and check the free play in the flywheel, will need new flywheel, clutch as it'll have been slipped, and an ecu upgrade to eliminate future issues.
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If you can make it do it, get it to dealer and take a tech out and show them.

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Oh Dear, Jimreed's problem sounds so familiar.  On the return journey from West Wales recently, with a caravan in tow, my 56 plate Sportage displayed the same problems.Now assuming it is the Dual Mass Flywheel, what options have I. got, bearing in mind my warranty ran out last October. Am I looking at a huge bill to sort this out?  CryCryCry
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Dual mass is £500, clutch bit £300, labour 6 hours, all plus gordons bit.
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Ouch.... Thanks for the good news.... I Think I need a large drink.... now, where's that cooking sherry.  Dead 
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Grateful for everyone's input on this, especially Murphwiz - but my mystery is only deepening.
After a series of trials by me and the dealer, including stall tests which would normally expose failing dual mass flywheel OR slipping clutch, there has been no recurrence of my problem over at least the last 400 miles!  The supplying dealer was very good and helpful about it but, understandably, wanted to see the nature of the problem for himself before starting to replace parts which might be in perfect working order when stripped out.
 
Having searched my memory very carefully about all the times my clutch was slipping - and bearing in mind I was always very quick to back off the throttle to avoid making the problem worse - I am beginning to wonder if the problem actually lay with the clutch master cylinder.  This seems hugely unlikely because in effect the pedal acts directly on it, but I can recall a few times sensing that the pedal was not returning fully to its normal rest position as quickly as it should.  Could it conceivably have been a bit of grit or roughness impeding the master cylider's action for a second or two, which has now cleared????  If so, its a new phenomenon for me in over forty years driving!  I'd really rather like it to recur so that I can clear up the mystery, and will report further if it does.
 
Good luck to others with similar symptoms, but I have found out in the last few weeks that both clutch and dual mass flywheel failure on the Sportage are really quite rare in normal driving.
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