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Topic: Niro Towbar
Posted By: Kiora
Subject: Niro Towbar
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 12:00pm
Hi, just joined this forum after purchasing (16th Dec) an ex demo Niro 2 (reg Aug 2016) only to discover that it may not be able to take a towbar having mentioned twice to sales prior to purchase that we would be fitting one.

They garage is going to contact Kia technical but due to holidays this will take a wee while.
In the mean time can anyone here throw some light on the matter?, it seems in Europe you can get a tow kit and that 4th quarter delivery to UK will allow Niro to tow.

This is my third Kia from the same Kia garage previous others were Ceed SW's all with fitted towbars so we can transport two electric bicycles total weight 44kg.

Ending on a positive note we are very pleased with the Niro otherwise.
 



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Posted By: Recycleman
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 3:38pm
Check this out clearly state uk spec has no towing capability https://www.kia.com/uk/owners/parts-accessories/" rel="nofollow - https://www.kia.com/uk/owners/parts-accessories/ then click on niro


Posted By: BIRDMAN
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 3:55pm
Although some towbar makers are advertising detachable ones

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Santa Fe Auto towing Swift Archway+ Auto & manual Picanto's, Sorento Auto now gone


Posted By: Recycleman
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 4:26pm
Also Belgium Kia is selling a towbar in accessories, I note that the above site states UK spec cars have no towing capacity (what ever that means) as my logbook state towing capacity of 1300kg.


Posted By: Kiora
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 5:44pm
Thanks for your reply, Recycleman the towing capacity you mention (1300kg) is that for a Niro and if so when was it registered or imported?.




Posted By: Recycleman
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 6:20pm
Sorry picked up wrong logbook, Niro 2, reg in December 16 and both the braked and unbraked permissible maximum towable mass of the trailer is blank suggesting that the uk might not have approved the Niro for towing and would mean anyone towing with it would be illegal.


Posted By: Kiora
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 6:37pm
Spoke again with my local Kia garage, seems the blank part of all or most logbook towing sections are blank. The  logbook of the 2013 Kia Ceed I part exchanged was also blank in the towing section but had a factory fitted towbar & wiring.

The problem seems to be not the towbar fitting but the electrical wiring kit required, Kia technical will contact the garage after holiday with an update.

Will keep you informed.


Posted By: AlanHo
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2017 at 9:19am
My Venga logbook towing section is blank - but the KIA Venga brochure specification gives towing weights.

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Niro 2 With ADAP


Posted By: Kiora
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2017 at 11:39am
Spoke to Kia UK this morning, asked about towing options for UK spec Niro's, response was that they are none the wiser and I should contact my local dealer who have been for some time aware of my question.

Anyway, my local Kai sales manager is today in  Liverpool at some Kia meeting and will be asking Kia personel why Uk Niro's cant tow whilst in the rest of Europe they can.

Keep you posted.


Posted By: Jetpack Toby
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2017 at 4:57pm
I hope they change their mind. I have a Niro on order and could do with a towbar. I can get by without but it would be useful. I have had a quote for an after market tow bar to be fitted for around £400 with electric and tow bars are on eBay from Germany at around £250 but having a look on the instructions it says you have to take the back bumper off. And use a jigsaw. I don't mind a bit of diy but on something I'll have owned for a month or so I'm not quite sure.


Posted By: Kiora
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 9:28am
Hello Jetpack Toby,
If you do go ahead with your towbar idea make sure your insurance company agrees that it is compliant with a UK Niro.  At the moment it may be the case that it is more to do with electronic management rather than the fitting of a towbar, also on most vehicles a cut has to be made in the bumper but rarely bumper removal.
Here is a link showing Kia approved towbars,  http://accessoires-kia.be/niro/transport-packs/     " rel="nofollow - http://accessoires-kia.be/niro/transport-packs/      ; the page is in english but relates only to Europe across the channel, strange that 21 miles of sea makes a difference.

Like you a towbar is not essential for me but I am determined to discover why the UK Niro has no towing capability but in the rest of Europe it does, I emailed Kia on Thursday 5th on this matter but as yet no reply, yesterday I phoned them but was referred back to my dealer also have asked on the Kia facebook page. My local sales manager returns today from a Kia meeting and may have an answer for me, if so this page will be the first to know.


Posted By: Recycleman
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 8:25pm
Hello Kiora, notice on KCS forum page that the the PM you a message regarding the towbar, any answer for the rest of us.


Posted By: Kiora
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 10:38pm
Yes I am aware but don't know how to view the message, have asked administrator's how to go about this so waiting for a reply.

Once enabled will let you know.


Posted By: jim1
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2017 at 7:57am
You might need to make a certain number of forum posts before being able to access the message functions

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Niro 2 with ADAP in Pearl White (metallic)

Picanto 2 5 door in white.

Previous,
Niro 2 with ADAP in pearl white.

Sportage2 1.6GDI 2014, Dark Gun Metal
sportage 1,black,2012.
Picanto 1air white


Posted By: Recycleman
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2017 at 8:47am
Look at the very top of the forum page and it should say private messenger, click on that and you then should see the message


Posted By: dave1978
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2017 at 10:33am
You need 20 (I think) forum posts before you can open a pm. If you're a bit light just welcome a newbie or six - they soon mount up. 👍

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Cee'd 2 Sportwagon 2013


Posted By: Kiora
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 12:43pm
Thanks all for the info re PM access, also got a reply on the 12th from Master Support Mailbox re PM access, they wanted to know which web site as they run a few.  They now have this information and await a reply.
Will now take your advice and bump up my posts and see what hppens.


Posted By: Kiora
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 1:43pm
Have just heard back from my local Kia sales manager re Niro towing and the gist of the conversation was,

1- No UK Niros will be able to tow.

2 - Reason,    UK Niro's have no uprated brakes or electrical package fitted.

I know no more than this and still waiting to read my PM from Kia Customer Service.




Posted By: Kiora
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 1:53pm
Just bumped up my posts and dave1978 is correct you need 20 posts to access PM's.

Here is the reply from Kia.


-  To tow, the Niro requires a towing pack fitted at factory, which includes larger brakes and a better cooling system. At present, none of the UK vehicles have this. 

- The Belgian bar referred to is locally sourced in Belgium and not approved to manufacturer standard by either Kia UK or Kia Europe. Any approval is from Kia Belgium alone. Fitting this bar to a vehicle, especially one fitted without a towing pack may invalidate any warranty claims. 

We’re sorry to say there are no plans to add towing capacity for the Niro in the UK. Some distributors in Europe may decide otherwise but demand in the UK is very low so our product team have decided against it.


We’re pleased you’re otherwise happy with your new car.


We now have the defintive answer.


Posted By: AlanHo
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 12:50pm
There is clearly a cost factor in the larger brakes and better cooling system which would have increased the prices of all the cars just to cater for a minority who would want to tow.
 
It's no consolation to those who would like to use the Niro for towing - but the majority of buyers benefit from a lower price.


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Niro 2 With ADAP


Posted By: Kiora
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 1:26pm
Yes I totally agree keeping the cost competitive but it is rather stange that this site http://accessoires-kia.be/niro/transport-packs/%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0" rel="nofollow - http://accessoires-kia.be/niro/transport-packs/           

which is an official Bekgium Kia site does offer a bar and seems to fly in the face of the technical requirements of the vehicule in question.

Anyway I will still enjoy the Niro and look forward to our summer holiday drive to France.  http://accessoires-kia.be/niro/transport-packs/%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0" rel="nofollow -


Posted By: jim1
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 2:03pm
It is a shame, especially as there was talk of towing capacity coming soon when initially launched

I wouldn't have towed but was thinking about using towbar to attach a cycle carrier to the car

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Niro 2 with ADAP in Pearl White (metallic)

Picanto 2 5 door in white.

Previous,
Niro 2 with ADAP in pearl white.

Sportage2 1.6GDI 2014, Dark Gun Metal
sportage 1,black,2012.
Picanto 1air white


Posted By: AlanHo
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 9:16pm
My son has a Golf GT with a bike carrier that hooks onto the rear hatch which requires no mods to the car. He can carry two bikes on it.
 
Just phoned him and he gave me the details. Looks a lot cheaper than adding a towbar and rack
 
https://www.thule.com/en-gb/gb/bike-rack/trunk-bike-racks/thule-clipon-high-9106-_-910601" rel="nofollow - https://www.thule.com/en-gb/gb/bike-rack/trunk-bike-racks/thule-clipon-high-9106-_-910601


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Niro 2 With ADAP


Posted By: jim1
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 9:28pm
In terms to worry that these might damage the paint work, the towbar ones often tilt allowing you to access the boot

Ive gone for the roof bars instead, not ideal but it's functional

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Niro 2 with ADAP in Pearl White (metallic)

Picanto 2 5 door in white.

Previous,
Niro 2 with ADAP in pearl white.

Sportage2 1.6GDI 2014, Dark Gun Metal
sportage 1,black,2012.
Picanto 1air white


Posted By: dave1978
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 2:02pm
The Halfords bike rack hooks onto the rear hatch of my Cee'd Sportwagen and carries 2 bikes. I carefully pad out the ends of the pedals just in case the bikes move and contact the hatch, but so far they haven't. By hooking the bottom straps onto the bottom of the hatch you can still open the hatchback although it gets a bit heavy with bikes in place.

Don't know the current price but I bet it undercuts the Thule rack.

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Cee'd 2 Sportwagon 2013


Posted By: Jazzcar
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2017 at 10:50pm
Hi All, I also have a niro on order and have been chasing Kia for information. Today I received a reply that may be of interest to you all, it doesn't make good reading however.

Here is a copy of that reply:-

Thanks for your email.

We would advise against fitting a towbar to the Kia Niro for several reasons.

Firstly, in order to tow, the vehicle requires uprated brakes and an uprated cooling system - both not featured in the Niro.

Secondly, the vehicle variant has not been homologated for towing, therefore any towbar fitted and used for towing would be illegal. If stopped as part of a VOSA inspection or by the Police, it could lead to a fine and possibly points. You may fit a towbar or frame for carrying bikes, but you would not be permitted to tow.

I appreciate that this isn't the response you were hoping for, but at no point have we stated that the Niro in the UK will be suitable for towing. Any information obtained relating to this, comes from outside the UK and is not applicable.

If there is anything else I can help with, please get in touch on 0333 2022 990.

Kia Motors UK
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As you see that is pretty conclusive, I replied that it is a bit of a cotradiction to call a Niro a SUV without maintaining a small part of "Utility Vehicle" in the process.
Make what you like of this, it certainly hasn't cheered me.



Posted By: Kiora
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2017 at 10:25am
First, well done JAZZCAR on your perceverance with Kia. For me, part of the reply is positive in as much Kia confirm you can have a towbar for carrying bikes.

We have two electric bikes each weigh 24kg and have had towbars on our previous two Kia's.
I can now declare that last week I had a towbar fitted which I ordered from here
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/transportsysteme24com?_trksid=p2047675.l2563   " rel="nofollow - http://stores.ebay.co.uk/transportsysteme24com?_trksid=p2047675.l2563    ;
Is this the first UK Niro with a towbar?.


Posted By: t552
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2017 at 11:28am
Not seen another Niro on the road let alone with a TB


Posted By: TheatreFord
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2017 at 12:15pm
I saw one near work the other day but was on European plates!


Posted By: dave1978
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2017 at 2:06pm
Loads of Kias around here but not yet seen one on the road.

Had a nose around one in my dealership yesterday - must say I was very impressed with the space and fittings. Just need our friend Ernie to do his stuff.....

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Cee'd 2 Sportwagon 2013


Posted By: TerryB58
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2017 at 3:25pm
Originally posted by t552 t552 wrote:

Not seen another Niro on the road let alone with a TB

I have done 9500 miles and seen ONE, a few weeks ago in Birmingham LOL


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http://www.fuelly.com/car/kia/niro/2016/terryb58/511966" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: jim1
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2017 at 2:28pm
Was also interested in the towbar for a bike carrier. Got fed up waiting and asked dealer to fit roof bars at time of pick up but am really fed up of the whistling noise so the roof bars are likely to be thrown out soon!
Might review the towbar option again


Have only seen one other Niro on the roaD, was in white. ...couldn't tell if it was metallic or flat white though

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Niro 2 with ADAP in Pearl White (metallic)

Picanto 2 5 door in white.

Previous,
Niro 2 with ADAP in pearl white.

Sportage2 1.6GDI 2014, Dark Gun Metal
sportage 1,black,2012.
Picanto 1air white


Posted By: MikeNiro
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2017 at 7:16pm
Hi, like you I found the Kia response for fitting a towbar for carrying bikes quite positive. How does fitting a towbar for only bikes affect the Kia warranty ? And was the towbar fitted by a Kia Dealer ? When we purchased the Niro in January we were also told by the dealer that there would likely be a towbar pack available later this year in UK.


Posted By: Indalo
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by MikeNiro MikeNiro wrote:

How does fitting a towbar for only bikes affect the Kia warranty ? And was the towbar fitted by a Kia Dealer ?  

In anticipation that I would purchase a towbar-mount cycle carrier at some point after my car purchase, I asked the supplying dealer to quote for supply & fit of towbar and electrics.  I can't remember the price but at the time it seemed cheaper than the quotes I had had for my previous, very similar estate car.

As things turned out, I only got round to purchasing a good-quality, 2-bike carrier a couple of weeks ago.  So far, it hasn't been used in anger but I did set it up to gain experience of how to mount it and how to load the bikes.  I managed it ok with two fairly heavy bikes and although I haven't driven with them on board yet, I'm confident the arrangement will be much better than using the roof rails and I wouldn't even consider any carrier that attaches to the tailgate.

I'd guess that Kia supply the same type of detachable towbar for all their models, possibly the size of the main members differing between the models.  If that's the case, providing your dealer offers a reasonable price for the work, I'd recommend letting them do the work.  Obviously, there are no warranty implications using Kia supplied parts with Kia also performing the work required.

It was only when I tried out my new cycle carrier that I remembered the supplying dealer had thrown in an extra registration plate for any trailer and that simply fits between a pre-fitted slot and a couple of in-built clips on the carrier.  I opted for 7-pin electrics as I have no intention of hauling a caravan or anything else behind the car and all the lights work fine




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Indalo

Optima Sportswagon GT-Line S


Posted By: MikeNiro
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2017 at 4:30pm
Hi, I am also interested in a tow bar for a bike rack to carry two electric bikes.
Can you let me know where you had your tow bar fitted please. Thanks Mike


Posted By: Indalo
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2017 at 8:02pm
Originally posted by MikeNiro MikeNiro wrote:

Hi, I am also interested in a tow bar for a bike rack to carry two electric bikes.
Can you let me know where you had your tow bar fitted please. Thanks Mike

Mike, I had my Kia towbar (detachable), fitted by the supplying dealer in North Yorkshire before I collected the vehicle.  They did a neat job and although I don't have the price to hand, I thought it very reasonable at the time.

Like you, I wanted a good, solid cycle carrier up to the job of carrying EAPCs so max weight per channel needs to be greater than that required for regular bicycles.

I settled in the end for the Thule Velo Compact which I bought from the cheapest source I could find at that given moment, £275 in round numbers inc. p&p.  PF Jones is the company which you can easily find from a brief search.  Their service from online order to delivery was exceptionally good and fast - no cheapskate couriers!

The channels are good for 24-25 kgs each so that supports my 21 & 16 kg bikes easily - that's batteries off the bikes.  It seems a nicely engineered piece of kit and secure once fastened on to the towhook.  It does the articulating trick so that I can open the tailgate on my estate car if I want to access anything there.

I hope that helps Mike, though there are several cycle carriers that are equally capable albeit most are actually more expensive.  While I know there are cheaper alternatives, in this matter, I want the reassurance of a well-known brand which has been producing tried-and-tested, purpose-built carriers for a long time.

Regards,


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Indalo

Optima Sportswagon GT-Line S


Posted By: MikeNiro
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2017 at 9:03pm
Many thanks for info. We have a Thule bike rack already to take two.bikes in tracks. Did you purchase the tow bar and electrics kit from Germany for the dealer to fit ? Mike


Posted By: Indalo
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2017 at 9:13pm
Originally posted by MikeNiro MikeNiro wrote:

Did you purchase the tow bar and electrics kit from Germany for the dealer to fit ? Mike

Sorry Mike, I don't understand that question.  When I ordered my car from the Kia dealership, I asked for a quote to supply and fit a towbar and electrics.  I accepted their quote and received my car on a date earlier than agreed at the outset with towbar and electrics duly fitted.

Obviously, I was delighted to collect the car earlier than originally scheduled as my own car was being part-exchanged at a pre-agreed price and it was a simple and straightforward transaction on the day.




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Indalo

Optima Sportswagon GT-Line S


Posted By: MikeNiro
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2017 at 6:28pm
My apologies, I got confused with the car model !!! 
My interest is in a tow bar for a Kia Niro !! wrong model forum me thinks . Mike
will try again. 


Posted By: Iron 2
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2017 at 6:34pm
Had to change my handle from Kiora ( I started this post) to Iron 2 (see what I did)   Last February I ordered from Germany a detachable towbar which my local Kia garage fitted. Have used this setup around Scotland and have just returned from a 3500 mile round trip to the south of France.

I have two Kalkoff electric bikes @ 22kg each minus battery fitted to a Thule electric bike carrier  we also travelled with a roof box.

If you are thinking of a similiar set up then I see no down side other than a reduction in mpg from around 63mpg to 48mpg although this was constant driving 70/85mph on french motorways.

Hope this is of use.


Posted By: MikeNiro
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2017 at 6:36pm
Hi , very interested in your tow bar for a Kia Niro. I spoke to Kia Customer Services UK last week and they confirmed that a Kia tow bar Kit will not be made available in UK. BUT if you only wish to use a tow bar for a Bike Rack then any fitting of the tow bar will not affect the warranty UNLESS if you have a problem with the car in the future and it can be traced back to the Tow Bar/Electrics fitting !!! we also wish to purchase two electric bikes, we already have a Thule Tow Bar bike rack used on a previous car. 
Could you let me know if you sourced the Tow Bar/Electrics kit from Germany ? and where you had it fitted in UK. Very much appreciated. Mike


Posted By: Iron 2
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2017 at 6:54pm
Hi Mike, this is where I bought mine,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Towbar-detachable-KIA-Niro-SUV-08-16-7pin-spec-electric-kit-NEW-incl-manual-/262935100906?fits=Car+Make%3AKia%7CModel%3ANiro&hash=item3d38273dea:g:ZH8AAOSwdxdZklPN" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Towbar-detachable-KIA-Niro-SUV-08-16-7pin-spec-electric-kit-NEW-incl-manual-/262935100906?fits=Car+Make%3AKia%7CModel%3ANiro&hash=item3d38273dea:g:ZH8AAOSwdxdZklPN

Copy and paste the above, it's now a bit more expensive due to euro/pound exchange but my Kia dealer had no problem fitting it.

cheers.


Posted By: MikeNiro
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2017 at 6:54pm
Thanks for prompt response. Can you tell me the dealer name please. My local Kia dealer in Wiltshire not very interested in fitting !! Thanks Mike.


Posted By: Iron 2
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2017 at 6:59pm
Not sure where Ringwood is but you might have a long trip up here, the dealer is Fiskens of Forfar, Scotland.


Posted By: MikeNiro
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2017 at 7:35pm
Many thanks again for all the information. Yes it would be a long trip !! We are on south coast near Bournemouth, but one of our sons lives in Edinburgh and we do visit a couple of times a year . We will try to get one of our local dealers to co-operate first.
Regards
Mike .


Posted By: h2onorth
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2017 at 9:03am
Hi Iron 2. Great u got the tow bar fitted by dealer.Any chance of a photo of it fitted on your car and now much it projects beyond bumper? I assume the hook part is detachable ?
Appreciate you do Not want your reg number displayed
Thanks h2onorth


Posted By: Iron 2
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2017 at 10:14pm
Happy to oblige, busy this week but will have time at weekend for photo.


Posted By: Iron 2
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 1:18pm


Posted By: Iron 2
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 1:20pm
Have traveled over 2000 miles with two electric bikes on a Thule carrier with no problem, highly recommend for those interested. Tow hook is detachable, comes with two keys and storage bag.



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